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Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: ~ADC~] #8106601
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Hammering works. It sucks to do it that way and I'll never go back after buying a bench swagger. Don't believe anyone who tells you one way or the other works better for holding power if done properly, both methods will hold equally well.

$62 bench swagger --> click here


I beg to differ.

I used to hammer down all my ferrules on earth anchors.

I pulled a lot of cable out of ferrules trying to recover anchors horsing on them with a big puller.

Since I switched to swaged, I rarely ever pull cable out of a ferrule. I’ll fold the anchor in half before my loops fail.

Last edited by Boone Liane; 03/23/24 08:50 PM.
Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: Willoughby] #8106606
03/23/24 08:59 PM
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A table vice works well I you have one.


“If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti
Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: Willoughby] #8106616
03/23/24 09:17 PM
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I got same exact one on Amazon for 80$ free shipping half price of other place after you add shipping / Go figure I guess you gotta shop around. Thanks for all the knowledge guys much appreciated
coulda saved 18$ more If Id read Boone Liane's post more carefully

Last edited by Willoughby; 03/29/24 06:48 PM.

if your lucky enough to live in the BIG woods your lucky enough
Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: Willoughby] #8106668
03/23/24 10:34 PM
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You made a wise choice! Have fun.
Buy quality cable and components. You will be all set!!

Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: Boone Liane] #8106852
03/24/24 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane
Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Hammering works. It sucks to do it that way and I'll never go back after buying a bench swagger. Don't believe anyone who tells you one way or the other works better for holding power if done properly, both methods will hold equally well.

$62 bench swagger --> click here


I beg to differ.

I used to hammer down all my ferrules on earth anchors.

I pulled a lot of cable out of ferrules trying to recover anchors horsing on them with a big puller.

Since I switched to swaged, I rarely ever pull cable out of a ferrule. I’ll fold the anchor in half before my loops fail.


Pulling earth anchors with the extra leverage will max out what the ferrules can hold. It'll definitely point out the weak spots.

Now a critter can't exert that type of force, usually, and hammered will do just fine but there's always that what if in the back of your mind.

I tend towards overkill for that reason.


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Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: Boone Liane] #8106898
03/24/24 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane
Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Hammering works. It sucks to do it that way and I'll never go back after buying a bench swagger. Don't believe anyone who tells you one way or the other works better for holding power if done properly, both methods will hold equally well.

$62 bench swagger --> click here


I beg to differ.

I used to hammer down all my ferrules on earth anchors.

I pulled a lot of cable out of ferrules trying to recover anchors horsing on them with a big puller.

Since I switched to swaged, I rarely ever pull cable out of a ferrule. I’ll fold the anchor in half before my loops fail.

Tell that story to boco. He'll tell you you didn't hammer them correctly or didn't put a little dent across them with a screw driver. lol

Anyone ever hammer double ferrules on the narrow sides instead of the wide sides?

Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: Willoughby] #8106915
03/24/24 12:22 PM
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Ill be completely honest.... While Ive hammered plenty back in the day and never had a problem I just flat out don't like the looks of hammered ferrules and stops grin Swaging them helps sooth my OCD grin


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Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: warrior] #8106927
03/24/24 12:38 PM
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Some people think, IT only needs to be strong enough hold a Coyote!!
Occasionally larger animals will get hooked up in your snares / traps.
So your equipment must be strong enough to hold the animal until the BAD. Releases or the Deer Stop allows them to escape.
A deer, elk, etc, can really stress the snare before the Break Away Releases.
For this reason, I only use a swager on cable. A Hammer is for nails and breaking stuff. lol.

Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: Willoughby] #8106930
03/24/24 12:43 PM
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saw a guy using a nail and a vise looks like it might work ok


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Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: Willoughby] #8106940
03/24/24 12:57 PM
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No I haven't ADC,,,,,,,, BUT,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I have been making my own since 1971. Lots of mistakes and errors. Back then a lot of cable came with an OILED CORE of cloth material to lube the inside and swager's weren't as readily available as they have been since 2000. Here is my experience,,,,,,,,,,,,,, both methods of fixing a stop or a double ferrule will work fine if done correctly. You probably want to hear some problems/failures I encountered so will relate a few. When i used the old core lubed cable it was 7X7 3/32 and I hammered it semi-flat that did seem to have a few releases so I went to annealed nuts and hammered, they held every time. If you did not heat and remove the temper the nut cut into the softer cable and I had a loss or two of popped ends at the swivel on non-lethal conditions. Hammered the aluminum ferrule and today's 7X7 3/32 and 5/64'ths are excellent for me. On 1/16 and 3/64'ths I will use 2 single ferrules or Newt's twist with a double and pound or swage. All 7X7 has a rough or irregular surface compared to any 1X19 of the same diameter. Here is where I have had more trouble with the swager on this type of cable. A person needs to adjust the jaws so they have no space, are aligned left to right and to examine the ferrules to be sure they collapse evenly for their entire length with as many crimp positions as needed. The smooth surface of 1X19 is pretty evident when you load the snare and trigger it closed compared to the 7X7 with the same diam. size and lock. Your (my) 1X19 is faster due to less friction and better memory. Every year I had popped ends on the 1X19 until I adjusted the swager, and checked those ferrules but did remedy it as above. I will say that I buy a lot of snare/cable extension outfits from guys who try it, then seem to drift back to a BG or foot trap with chain. A "hammered ferrule" on either type of wire I can cannibalize the opened ferrule's cable because its easier to open with a vise and I use the opened end to add a swivel to my type of extension/new snare if I want. Have done this for too many years to recall when I started cause I did my own 36" snares into 72" extensions (not a good move to begin but it worked out). Can't do that with a swaged ferrule w/o a lot of cutting, prying and time involved with the aluminum. I have a ton of 1/8" beaver snares I got at the Nationals last year and open the hammered ferrules for use as earth anchors at a fraction of the cost so "old habits of old men die hard" I guess. .......................the mike

Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: Willoughby] #8107000
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~

Tell that story to boco. He'll tell you you didn't hammer them correctly or didn't put a little dent across them with a screw driver. lol

Anyone ever hammer double ferrules on the narrow sides instead of the wide sides?


Yeah well Bozo also thinks the ATF is a stand up government agency just looking for the “bad guys”.

Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: Willoughby] #8110206
03/28/24 10:26 PM
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I hammer all mine and I’ve help non target animals wild pigs up to 200 lbs with hammered sleeves

Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: NorthMtntrapper] #8110238
03/28/24 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by NorthMtntrapper
So for the "only have a hammer crowd", is there a correct process?
I just made some extensions the other day and just hammered it flat with an engineer hammer.
Hoping I didn't mess anything up.

Don't mash your thumb. Other than that you can't hardly do it wrong.
Interesting enough, a poorly adjust swager will cause a ferrule to fail.

Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: Willoughby] #8110570
03/29/24 02:10 PM
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Two hits on the flat of your anvil and one hit on the edge to crosspunch.

Dont use a big heavy hammer.

Stronger than the cable itself and will never fail like swaged ones do on occasion.

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Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: Willoughby] #8110662
03/29/24 04:45 PM
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I gotta try and add the loop at the end like that on the pre made Lightsout snares I picked up…..if we can even use em next season. Picked them up last summer after news that these were close to approval here.

Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: Willoughby] #8110747
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thanks everyone I am constantly learning something here ! thank you Boco thats good info right there

Last edited by Willoughby; 03/30/24 11:25 AM.

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Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: Willoughby] #8117850
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I’ve hammered mine for many years never a problem. Caught some pretty big wolves no problem.

Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: Willoughby] #8118397
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All the snares that I sell have to pass the 350 Ford / tree test

The snare loop is put on a 6" length of 4" pvc pipe with chain or cable passed through the pipe .Its hooker the trailer hitch ball .The tail end swivel of loop end is chained the a tree.
I put the truck in gear and pull.
If the snare cable breaks first. THE SNARE has has passed the test


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Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8119325
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
You can get a handheld swager for 20-30$ from any store that sells fencing supplies. Bit more cumbersome than a hammer or bench swager though.


Home Depot sells a swager, I bought one for under $60.

Re: cable Ferrule crimping [Re: Willoughby] #8119397
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You can now get a Vevor swagger for 56.00 with free shipping on EBay.

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