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Re: question for you investment types [Re: keets] #8135270
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thank you guys....lots of great info here, I'm mid 50's, run a small construction business, and feel like I am working myself to death....Just looking for a way to slow down a bit crazy
this is a taxable account, I also have a 401 with EJ, that is mixed traditional and roth, about 150k


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Re: question for you investment types [Re: keets] #8135274
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You guys quote what dividends you are getting from things YOU ALREADY own. To me big difference than buying in now at premium prices. Also I got a serious question. How long will it take to get back your investment at the rates of return ? No guarantees the stock will remain at that priceMoney you HOPE sustains a 9% return OR put it in a guaranteed return at 5.5- 6%

Re: question for you investment types [Re: keets] #8135277
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tough decisions jbyrd... I have some t bills too 5.3% in the safe zone isn't a bad idea either


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Re: question for you investment types [Re: keets] #8135285
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For me,,,, beating inflation after taxes is the goal

6% doesn’t cut it

Re: question for you investment types [Re: keets] #8135287
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The rule of 72 will tell you how long before your money doubles.
The guaranteed investment would depend on what that investment was and what else I might be able to do with the money. Opportunity costs.


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Re: question for you investment types [Re: white17] #8135311
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Originally Posted by white17
Originally Posted by spjones
Okay so in the above scenario I was the buyer,,,

So how does the selling scenario happen??




If you own 100 shares of QQQ you could enter an order to sell one june7, 450 call at....5.47........That knocks out the specialist because you are now offering to sell cheaper than he is. So YOUR offer is displayed nationally instead of his. ))) ( lots of mind games to play with the market maker)

Someone buys your contract. You receive 547$ minus transaction costs.

Expiration rolls around and if QQQ closes below 450 the contract expires worthless and you keep the money received up front.

If QQQ closes at 452 that contract now has 200 dollars intrinsic value...You can either buy the contact back at a bit over 200 to close your position. You will still make a profit of somewhere around 340 because you took in 547 up front. OR.......you can let it run through expiration and lose your shares of QQQ but get paid 450 per share for them....the strike price of the contract. You will still keep the initial premium of 547$
You will make a profit on the trade as long as QQQ closes below 455.47 at expiration...... if it closes above that point you will incur a loss.

Lets say QQQ closes at 456 at expiration. You will have a loss of .53 x 100 or 53 dollars plus transaction fees.



Trying to follow along and mostly think I'm doing okay with doing so, but in the first sentence you said

" If you own 100 shares of QQQ you could enter an order to sell one june7, 450 call at....5.47....."

When I started reading I thought it meant "sell one" as in one share but I think that was supposed to say "sell on"... and you're talking about all 100 shares, right?


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Re: question for you investment types [Re: keets] #8135660
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CONY paid 3940.20$ on 39500$ Last month

FYI

Re: question for you investment types [Re: keets] #8135683
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holy smokes^^


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Re: question for you investment types [Re: spjones] #8135873
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Originally Posted by spjones
CONY paid 3940.20$ on 39500$ Last month

FYI




If you haven't read and digested the prospectus on CONY......I very much encourage you to do so. smile


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Re: question for you investment types [Re: keets] #8135884
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I have

Re: question for you investment types [Re: keets] #8135885
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Good ! )))


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