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Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136578
05/09/24 03:56 PM
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Proverbs 6:30-31 (KJV) Men do not despise a thief, if he steal To satisfy his soul when he is hungry; But if he be found, he shall restore sevenfold; He shall give all the substance of his house.

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8136582
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
“Render unto Caesar……”



I like Ceasars


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Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136584
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To live by the law = death

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Guss] #8136594
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Originally Posted by Guss
To live by the law = death

To be justified by the law is to be fallen from grace.
Jesus lived by the law perfectly and we have eternal life only though that perfect fulfillment oft the law.
Not man's law of course.
But the law of God.

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136596
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Didn't somebody write a story about some guys taking venison from Sherwood Forest or robbing the rich to give to the poor or something ? Maybe they was living by a law, but whose law ?

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Foxpaw] #8136598
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
Didn't somebody write a story about some guys taking venison from Sherwood Forest or robbing the rich to give to the poor or something ? Maybe they was living by a law, but whose law ?

And the modern version would be men in tights.

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136601
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Robin Hood didn't steal from the rich, he stole illegally-taken taxes from the government coffers and returned the money to the people.

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136606
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What is commitment to morality over legality?

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8136608
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by Old pup
I have wondered this in the past. Mostly when the world was going to end in a Y2K panic.

If I kill a deer out of season because my family is hungry, I am guilty of breaking mans law even if no one ever knows what I've done. My theory, I have sinned against God's law and He saw me.


The only sin I could see here is your lack of faith that God would provide for you.

Me speeding down the highway because my heart says screw the government is much different than speeding because I want to save someone from bleeding out. Even man knows the difference in that situation, surely God does too.


Did God provide by allowing me to kill a deer or should I wait for someone to bring ma a basket of food?


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Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136610
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Old Pup: Today you might get a basket of food but maybe tomorrow get cut back to a ration of rice.

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136615
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If it is not God's law also then no.


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Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136619
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Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136620
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Swamp, throw other states and Fed. laws in with this question and it gets crazy.

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: coondagger2] #8136621
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Originally Posted by coondagger2
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Not a wildlife law, but if the speed limit is 55mph and you intentionally drive 60...what about that?


I think God is more concerned with the character of your heart and your relationship with Him than he is with the speed at which you drive


Then coondagger2, what is the character of a man's heart that intentionally disobeys man's law? Even simple speed limit laws? Is that man's conscious clear? Is his heart truly pure in character?


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Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Bruce T] #8136623
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
If it is not God's law also then no.

Then what is it then BruceT? Is it just something we can all just shrug off as unimportant in God's eyes? Not meaning anything when we're standing at the gates?

Is a man's heart pure that continuously violates man's law? Is the penalty for this intentional law breaking only penalized in man's court?


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Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136627
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
If you willfully and knowingly violate the laws of man (specifically game and fish law) are you committing a sin in the eyes of God?

I've read a few related verses in Romans and have my interpretation.

Your opinions?


I've got a good friend who is truly addicted to deer hunting. He is a professing believer, and I believe he is saved. The problem is deer hunting has become an idol in his life. Game laws are for other people to follow. He loves to hunt on and over the line, but will call the GW on you in a heartbeat for the same thing. I've talked with him about this on several occasions. He can't see that this hurts his witness to non-believers. I've put this scenario to him a couple of times since it has happened to him already. If you get busted by the GW for killing an illegal deer, does it it help or hurt your testimony if you tried to witness to him while he's writing the ticket?

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: corky] #8136630
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Originally Posted by corky
Regarding game laws my opinion is if you are cheating then you are stealing, at least opportunity, from everyone else.

I've always looked at it this way too.


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Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Old pup] #8136633
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by Old pup
I have wondered this in the past. Mostly when the world was going to end in a Y2K panic.

If I kill a deer out of season because my family is hungry, I am guilty of breaking mans law even if no one ever knows what I've done. My theory, I have sinned against God's law and He saw me.


The only sin I could see here is your lack of faith that God would provide for you.

Me speeding down the highway because my heart says screw the government is much different than speeding because I want to save someone from bleeding out. Even man knows the difference in that situation, surely God does too.


Originally Posted by Old pup
Did God provide by allowing me to kill a deer or should I wait for someone to bring ma a basket of food?


That would be between you and Him, however my personal belief is it would depend on what you were praying for.


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Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: BandB] #8136634
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Originally Posted by BandB
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
If you willfully and knowingly violate the laws of man (specifically game and fish law) are you committing a sin in the eyes of God?

I've read a few related verses in Romans and have my interpretation.

Your opinions?


I've got a good friend who is truly addicted to deer hunting. He is a professing believer, and I believe he is saved. The problem is deer hunting has become an idol in his life. Game laws are for other people to follow. He loves to hunt on and over the line, but will call the GW on you in a heartbeat for the same thing. I've talked with him about this on several occasions. He can't see that this hurts his witness to non-believers. I've put this scenario to him a couple of times since it has happened to him already. If you get busted by the GW for killing an illegal deer, does it it help or hurt your testimony if you tried to witness to him while he's writing the ticket?

Exactly! You have hit on what I'm wanting to learn more about.

And in addition to his potentially tarnished testimony (in the eyes of those that see this guy's behavior), what is the finality of his behavior?


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Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136636
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Here we go with the law following to be sinless. lol

Imagine my surprise when I became a law abiding citizen only to realize my sin wasn’t just willful disobedience of the law but disobedience to His voice and the things He asked of me where man’s law was absent.


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