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Re: Coyotes
[Re: Yes sir]
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07/28/24 01:18 PM
07/28/24 01:18 PM
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20scout
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Thanks' for explaining Seth, was confused for a bit. I too prefer a DH or step down more for guidance but also throw in a blind or flat set to change things up a bit just to keep them guessing. Once you get used to using a step down and find the ease of guiding with them, it's difficult to go back to something else.
Common sense is a not a vegetable that does well in everyone's garden.
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Re: Coyotes
[Re: Yes sir]
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07/29/24 12:29 PM
07/29/24 12:29 PM
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Pawnee
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I myself don't see a ton of avoidance to dirt holes. There's some educated ones that darn sure avoid them but we have enough coyotes you don't need to catch the smart ones to put up good numbers. But my general population will be spooky of new objects that you bring to the set location like a log or bones. I put a stick about 3/4" in diameter vertical in front of a camera with about 12" above ground. Two different locations. I put a proven lure coyotes loved to roll on to see if a rub set would be effective for coyotes. Probably got about 6 or 8 visits to those test set and only one coyote got within 3 foot of that stick. He came up to it and smelled but I suspect it was his 3rd visit before he got his courage up. I've run more blind sets last couple years but they are slower to connect for me than a good dirt hole but probably catch more of the shy coyotes. They also catch a high percentage of non targets here. I keep telling myself I need to learn to master flat sets and I've caught coyotes in them but I have a mental bias towards them because I feel like I can't control foot placement as well at them and I hate to miss one by three inches. Also we have enough coyotes the dirt hole is just pretty effective. I'm going to force myself to use more flat sets just to master another tool and skill set. Same for snares. I’m a dirt hole guy too. From what I’ve seen a lot of sets are made to close to tall backing, and by tall backing I mean anything over 6”. It takes a really hungry coyote or a dumb one to commit.
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Re: Coyotes
[Re: Yes sir]
#8184633
07/30/24 07:07 AM
07/30/24 07:07 AM
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Boone Liane
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I’m heading out here shortly to set some traps.
Won’t be no dirt holes.
That grounds HARD already.
Probably could pin down a few pups pretty easy in em right now though on this deal as I’m sure it’s a family group that’s just blew in from across the border.
As it is, it’ll likely be some flat sets with a couple real sneaky sneaky curve balls for ma and pa.
Last edited by Boone Liane; 07/30/24 07:07 AM.
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Re: Coyotes
[Re: Pawnee]
#8184830
07/30/24 01:18 PM
07/30/24 01:18 PM
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so.west georgia
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looks like a family group before they break-up, had this happen just a couple hundred yards just south of my house,a couple years in a row. all the yipping and caring on sounds like a pack of 20 in reality only six or seven pups and the alpha female or alpha male bringing food back to the den. I caught 4 within a 1/2 mile from that sight, all were pups about 6 months old at the time.
BORN ON A MOUNTAIN,RAISED IN A CAVE, HUNTING AND TRAPPING IS WHAT I CRAVE!
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Re: Coyotes
[Re: dhawk]
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07/30/24 01:32 PM
07/30/24 01:32 PM
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so.west georgia
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That was 10 years or so ago, property owners have changed twice since then. I heard them again once this year but not a peep since. Health issues have kept me out of the field since 2016 and I can't hold out long but sure want to get back at it.Just dreaming I guess.
BORN ON A MOUNTAIN,RAISED IN A CAVE, HUNTING AND TRAPPING IS WHAT I CRAVE!
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Re: Coyotes
[Re: Pawnee]
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07/30/24 02:32 PM
07/30/24 02:32 PM
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bearcat2
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I myself don't see a ton of avoidance to dirt holes. There's some educated ones that darn sure avoid them but we have enough coyotes you don't need to catch the smart ones to put up good numbers. But my general population will be spooky of new objects that you bring to the set location like a log or bones. I put a stick about 3/4" in diameter vertical in front of a camera with about 12" above ground. Two different locations. I put a proven lure coyotes loved to roll on to see if a rub set would be effective for coyotes. Probably got about 6 or 8 visits to those test set and only one coyote got within 3 foot of that stick. He came up to it and smelled but I suspect it was his 3rd visit before he got his courage up. I've run more blind sets last couple years but they are slower to connect for me than a good dirt hole but probably catch more of the shy coyotes. They also catch a high percentage of non targets here. I keep telling myself I need to learn to master flat sets and I've caught coyotes in them but I have a mental bias towards them because I feel like I can't control foot placement as well at them and I hate to miss one by three inches. Also we have enough coyotes the dirt hole is just pretty effective. I'm going to force myself to use more flat sets just to master another tool and skill set. Same for snares. I’m a dirt hole guy too. From what I’ve seen a lot of sets are made to close to tall backing, and by tall backing I mean anything over 6”. It takes a really hungry coyote or a dumb one to commit. I see this said a lot, and used to put more faith in it. But I see often where they pee on big trees, just like a dog. And when you find those they are a dynamite set, even though the "backing" is 80-100 feet tall. I find myself using more large trees for the backing/lure holder on flat sets and pee posts I make myself and having good luck with it. The coyotes don't seem to avoid them at all, of course that tree has been there the coyotes whole life, so he is perfectly accustomed to it. Now that being said, you want a tree without low branches, if you can walk under it without ducking, or at most just ducking your head, not having to bend your back any; that is the type of tree you want. They are leery of having a bunch of low hanging branches hemming them in. Now I've not tried making dirtholes up tight against big trees much, because a)I'm not much of a dirthole guy and b)roots really get in the way of digging your hole, they can often get in the way of a trap bed, much less a dirthole.
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Re: Coyotes
[Re: Yes sir]
#8184945
07/30/24 03:45 PM
07/30/24 03:45 PM
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Boone Liane
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I feel better knowing even you can't resist putting in a dh every once in awhile.  I'm assuming your trap is up tight to the hole? If it's where I think it is the covering doesn't look table top smooth. Do you do this on purpose so it looks more natural and doesn't stand out or just don't pay any attention to it and that's just how it comes out. Yup. I got one lever more or less “in” the hole. I keep my dirt holes pretty rough. I’ll take my rib bone when everything’s done and before I bait it and scrape some extra dirt out of it and splash it over the “pattern” just like something digging in that hole would.
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Re: Coyotes
[Re: Wanna Be]
#8184947
07/30/24 03:47 PM
07/30/24 03:47 PM
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Boone Liane
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Does anyone else not have an issue with sets, but actually finding coyotes? Don’t feel bad. These ones I’m going after right now I’d bet my next paycheck just bounced in from lord knows where in the last few days. It is that time of year. If you told me they were 10 miles away three nights ago, I’d say very well could have been. Maybe further. This is on a sheep outfit that’s been quiet since April. They killed two 40 pound lambs last night and slicked one up completely, so I’d be surprised if it’s a dry pair.
Last edited by Boone Liane; 07/30/24 03:50 PM.
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Re: Coyotes
[Re: Yes sir]
#8185047
07/30/24 06:06 PM
07/30/24 06:06 PM
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West Central MN
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Been quiet around here lately too but then I believe their numbers around here are down. Not like we had alot to start with.
Common sense is a not a vegetable that does well in everyone's garden.
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Re: Coyotes
[Re: Yes sir]
#8185051
07/30/24 06:10 PM
07/30/24 06:10 PM
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Boone Liane
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5000 acres isn’t but a spit.
If I have a family group per township (36 square miles, 23,040 acres) that’s high cotton.
And again, don’t feel bad. It’s the dog days of summer. The worst time of year in my opinion.
I’m out just about every morning (somewhere in 3000 square miles) trying to locate. I haven’t had a coyote howl back at me in almost five weeks.
Last edited by Boone Liane; 07/30/24 06:14 PM.
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Re: Coyotes
[Re: bearcat2]
#8185552
07/31/24 12:19 PM
07/31/24 12:19 PM
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Pawnee
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Bearcat, I agree with some of your post but I’m not referring to post and trees. I agree he’s not as scared around structures like those. When it comes to grass edges or tall weeds a coyote is always on guard when he’s traveling. Small backing and placing the dirts hole 10’ away from these structures will increase a guy’s catch. Makes him feel a little bit more comfortable.
Everything the left touches it destroys
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