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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #8097634
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Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I hope you are correct tlguy.

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I indicated concerns and issues regarding this when I submitted my comments. Private property is a strong feature of our democratic, capitalistic nation. Be good to find a quick resolution, but if there are suits filed regarding this, the delays could be almost endless.

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Delays are 1 of their tactics unfortunately.

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Annual elk season applications opened up today. Now if we could just get our wolf season back

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A national wolf mediator..this is an interesting development. If It keeps it out of court maybe it has s chance at working. I'm skeptical.
The cost of this mediator seems astounding.

https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/wolf-management-mediator/

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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #8122556
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her comment about her working Washington on Wolves.

"Going to the Washington case, I came into a situation where one side started with ‘kill all the wolves’ and the other side started with ‘we’re not going to kill a single wolf.’ Within a year, by the time they got to actually working on policy, the wolf advocates were saying we need lethal [removal] in the tool box. And the advocates for lethal removal were saying we need non-lethal in there. They had made a social compact to solve each other’s problems."

If she can workout an agreement that everyone can live with I think she has earned her $3.2 Million.
It would be nice to go forward instead of round and round.


Can anyone from Washington can comment on her work?

Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #8122602
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Maybe I am missing something, but it sure sounds like the sportsmen and women are left with an empty plate, but holding the bill. Sure easy when you take them out of the equation.

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To my knowledge Washington has no lethal removal except strictly by the Feds for "proven" problem wolves. Doesn't sound like much of a deal to me except for the "wolf advocates."

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Is that because of the federal listing that only exempted certain states though? Or is Washington part of the exemption and still doesn't have any harvest?

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Either way I find the cost of the new mediator shockingly high.

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I have my doubts about how effective mediation, both in dollars and results, will be in securing a compromise on wolves in this state; but if it takes wolves out of the hands of the feds and judges and brings them back in the hands of Wisconsin, I'm willing to give it a try..


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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #8126275
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Ever wonder why our agencies are broke. See exhibit A.

Save the money and we can get back to studying the homosexual tendencies of tree frogs.


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Below is a pretty good read on science and wolf management. Glad they took the time to get it published to refute the bad information out there. You might even recognize one of the contributing fellows.


Wolf Science

My favorite part of the conclusion—

Faulty or biased science, regardless of the directionality of the error, is harmful to policy decisions, and policy recommendations based on such science cannot be considered “precautionary”. Furthermore, “precautionary” itself implies a value judgment that is defined by policy, not science. The role of science is to provide robust, reliable information, not to define the directionality or desired level of precaution.

Even though Nathan doesn’t work for WI, glad to see him having a positive impact!

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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: WIMarshRAT] #8192777
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Originally Posted by WIMarshRAT


Even though Nathan doesn’t work for WI, glad to see him having a positive impact!

I miss him in Wi. He knows his stuff.

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https://www.9news.com/article/news/.../73-6de619d4-7d9f-43e2-9b8c-7b8931a9502b

Colorado can have some of our wolves, we have plenty

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If Walz gets into the White House it'll probably make it harder for us in the midwest to get a wolf season.

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No probably about it. A wolf season will not even be considered.

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Yeah I don't know what it will take to get a season at this point

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Originally Posted by AJE
Originally Posted by WIMarshRAT


Even though Nathan doesn’t work for WI, glad to see him having a positive impact!

I miss him in Wi. He knows his stuff.


WI got to feel his absence this spring when they shut down the otter season early. I really doubt it happens with him in the meeting. Frankly he would have supported an increase in quota had the user groups asked for it and we would have never been in that situation.

They didn’t increase the quota at the last DNR Furbearer Advisory meeting this year. So when guys go out and kill a bunch of otter, we will likely see the same thing next spring.


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