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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210196
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The father has been arrested and charged. He bought the gun as a gift for the son and admitted to it.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210212
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Originally Posted by warrior
The father has been arrested and charged. He bought the gun as a gift for the son and admitted to it.

That was stupid of him.

Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210234
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Originally Posted by warrior
The father has been arrested and charged. He bought the gun as a gift for the son and admitted to it.


Is that illegal in your state???


Just give me one thing, that I can hold on to. To believe in this livin' is just a hard way to go.
Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: Guss] #8210238
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Originally Posted by Guss
Originally Posted by warrior
The father has been arrested and charged. He bought the gun as a gift for the son and admitted to it.

That was stupid of him.


Doubly so considering he had was aware of his son's threats to shoot up a school.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: yotetrapper30] #8210256
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by warrior
The father has been arrested and charged. He bought the gun as a gift for the son and admitted to it.


Is that illegal in your state???

My question as well.
The gun ain't the problem.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210265
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The prosecutor has charged the kid as an adult. And now charges the father with murder based on the actions of his kid. I don’t see how you can do both.

Either charge the kid as an adult, ( I believe that is proper ), or charge the kid as a juvenile and hold the father culpable too.

Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210268
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Are they going to arrest the police that interviewed the kid a year earlier and determined he wasn’t a threat to anyone?

This country is getting so whacked.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: Bigbrownie] #8210271
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Originally Posted by Bigbrownie
The prosecutor has charged the kid as an adult. And now charges the father with murder based on the actions of his kid. I don’t see how you can do both.

Either charge the kid as an adult, ( I believe that is proper ), or charge the kid as a juvenile and hold the father culpable too.


If that is what it’s come to are we going to give parents complete authority to deal with kids dishonoring them, including kidnapping and or termination?


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210273
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Not illegal to buy a gun. Technically illegal to gift it, as in transfer ownership, to a 14yo as it is everywhere. Like most places not an issue to get your kid a squirrel/deer gun.

But in this case the dad got a visit in 23 by the local sheriff and FBI because Jr was online saying he was going to shoot up a school and posting photos of guns. Evidently not enough at that time to haul anyone in so it got a stern talking to and case closed.

Since that time they moved counties AND dad bought and gave the boy the gun.

Evidently there apparently is some reason to believe dad wasn't exactly dad of the year material and might be the reason Jr is messed up.

That still leaves a question in my mind as to just why wasn't DFACS immediately involved? They are supposed to intervene and snatch kids out of bad situations.

I know that in my county they are quick to step in and the schools have them on speed dial.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210278
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Originally Posted by warrior
Not illegal to buy a gun. Technically illegal to gift it, as in transfer ownership, to a 14yo as it is everywhere. Like most places not an issue to get your kid a squirrel/deer gun.

But in this case the dad got a visit in 23 by the local sheriff and FBI because Jr was online saying he was going to shoot up a school and posting photos of guns. Evidently not enough at that time to haul anyone in so it got a stern talking to and case closed.

Since that time they moved counties AND dad bought and gave the boy the gun.

Evidently there apparently is some reason to believe dad wasn't exactly dad of the year material and might be the reason Jr is messed up.

That still leaves a question in my mind as to just why wasn't DFACS immediately involved? They are supposed to intervene and snatch kids out of bad situations.

I know that in my county they are quick to step in and the schools have them on speed dial.



But DFACS is a government organization, I thought government was bad?
And what about the kid’s right to keep and bear arms? Or are you saying it can be decided that right doesn’t apply to some?
You need to get your stories straight.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210281
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The Average Liberal government school policies messed that kid up.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: Guss] #8210291
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Originally Posted by Guss
Originally Posted by warrior
The father has been arrested and charged. He bought the gun as a gift for the son and admitted to it.

That was stupid of him.

Why?


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You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210292
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Originally Posted by warrior
Not illegal to buy a gun. Technically illegal to gift it, as in transfer ownership, to a 14yo as it is everywhere.


What federal law states that? If that's true millions of gun owners could be arrested.

Of course it was idiotic for the father to give a gun to a kid who threatened to shoot up a school. It was also idiotic to not get that kid psychiatric help.

But I'm still questioning the legality of the arrest.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: Average Joe] #8210294
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Originally Posted by Average Joe
Originally Posted by warrior
Not illegal to buy a gun. Technically illegal to gift it, as in transfer ownership, to a 14yo as it is everywhere. Like most places not an issue to get your kid a squirrel/deer gun.

But in this case the dad got a visit in 23 by the local sheriff and FBI because Jr was online saying he was going to shoot up a school and posting photos of guns. Evidently not enough at that time to haul anyone in so it got a stern talking to and case closed.

Since that time they moved counties AND dad bought and gave the boy the gun.

Evidently there apparently is some reason to believe dad wasn't exactly dad of the year material and might be the reason Jr is messed up.

That still leaves a question in my mind as to just why wasn't DFACS immediately involved? They are supposed to intervene and snatch kids out of bad situations.

I know that in my county they are quick to step in and the schools have them on speed dial.



But DFACS is a government organization, I thought government was bad?
And what about the kid’s right to keep and bear arms? Or are you saying it can be decided that right doesn’t apply to some?
You need to get your stories straight.


You're right, and I'm no fan of DFACS. But it is what is in place and IMO someone dropped the ball once this kid and his dad hit the radar. But if the dad is indeed an irresponsible scumbag then I have no issue with him getting the full ride even if the methodology is flawed.

And no child has the right to keep and bear arms. And that will pass Bruen scrutiny as there are exemplars from the time of the founding. Namely the prohibitions on slaves bearing arms. Hate to use such hateful laws but children are the property of their parents when it comes to certain liberties such as contract law, the draft, criminal representation, etc. At best a child and guns falls under the same area as teaching a child to drive under parental supervision. If an unsupervised child was turned loose with a car by a parent then the parent is responsible.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210302
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Average Joe



But DFACS is a government organization, I thought government was bad?
And what about the kid’s right to keep and bear arms? Or are you saying it can be decided that right doesn’t apply to some?
You need to get your stories straight.



And no child has the right to keep and bear arms.


Again... what is your source? Is this GA law?

Cause apparently it's not federal law.... https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may...munition-gift-juvenile-less-18-years-age


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: yotetrapper30] #8210305
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by warrior
Not illegal to buy a gun. Technically illegal to gift it, as in transfer ownership, to a 14yo as it is everywhere.


What federal law states that? If that's true millions of gun owners could be arrested.

Of course it was idiotic for the father to give a gun to a kid who threatened to shoot up a school. It was also idiotic to not get that kid psychiatric help.

But I'm still questioning the legality of the arrest.


Federal law prohibits minors from purchasing. I may be wrong on technical ownership. Maybe one of our barristers will chime in on that but I'm assuming that if you can't buy then you can't own as in title to own. Most state laws mirror the federal but that may be changing currently.

Of course most of us were raised with guns and had access to if not outright possession of. But I would also believe most of us had daddies that taught us to be trusted around power tools like that. I know I had a shotgun by my bed from junior high on and the day I turned 18 I walked into Simmons Sporting Goods cash in hand.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210308
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According to the link I posted above, the ATF says it's legal to gift your child a gun.

So, unless GA explicitly prohibits it, I can't see that charge sticking.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210309
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I kept and beared arms when I was ten.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210313
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Warrior. Did your Dad,Uncle,Gramps ever offer you a beer/ drink before you turned legal age?


swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210315
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30


Again... what is your source? Is this GA law?

Cause apparently it's not federal law.... https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may...munition-gift-juvenile-less-18-years-age


I stand corrected, mea culpa. Thanks for the link.

Now that I think of my initial supposition of rights and age of majority was flawed. That would imply minors have none of the rights enumerated in the constitution and that can't be correct.

Thank you again for making me think.


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