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Re: Trespassers [Re: ~ADC~] #8217638
09/17/24 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
I wonder if anyone considered if it was maybe an honest mistake? Maybe they honestly still thought they were on the property they had permission to be on? Probably not but before you bust into their house and shoot their pets, maybe you could consider it? No one is perfect.


Oh, I am being a bit Rambo here. I've returned coon dogs I found twice. As in anything life, there is a reasonableness scale. I am however serious about the chasing. And the pits.

Re: Trespassers [Re: Diggerman] #8217640
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
Originally Posted by Blaine County
Not sure how many cows you own, but if they are on my place I will presume they are chasing mine. And that means there is a decent chance of......adios little doggie. If someone loses track of one of their pits (either from running hogs or just the yard of their single wide) on my place, it's a definite gonner regardless of circumstances. If I see a cute cocker spaniel with bows in its fur chasing a cow or a deer, gonner.

And, no, in Oklahoma some dog is not the same as a deer. I doubt they are in Wisconsin either. If you have a law stating that for any state in this country, please post it. Let's see who is saying something dumb.

I rest my case!!!

Wi. State Statute 174.01

Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8217651
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diggerman. your statute doesn't support your argument but does mine and Blain. Problem dog = dead dog perfectly legal.

Now how about talking about how much land you personally own?

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Re: Trespassers [Re: Diggerman] #8217655
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Here's the problem with you internet experts. You stated:

Originally Posted by Diggerman
Hounds have just as much right in the woods as any game animal.


And then you cited Wisconsin State Statute 174.01 in support. It does not say what you think it says.

What you should have done is keep reading and you would have found:

174.042; Dogs running at large and untagged dogs subject to impoundment; penalties.
(1)Dog running at large.
(a) Except as provided in par. (b), a dog is considered to be running at large if it is off the premises of its owner and not under the control of the owner or some other person.
(b) A dog that is actively engaged in a legal hunting activity, including training, is not considered to be running at large if the dog is monitored or supervised by a person and the dog is on land that is open to hunting or on land on which the person has obtained permission to hunt or to train a dog.
(2)Untagged dog. A dog is considered to be untagged if a valid license tag is not attached to a collar which is kept on the dog whenever the dog is outdoors unless the dog is securely confined in a fenced area.
(3)Dog running at large or untagged dog subject to impoundment. An officer shall attempt to capture and restrain any dog running at large and any untagged dog.
(4)Penalties. If the owner of a dog negligently or otherwise permits the dog to run at large or be untagged, the owner shall forfeit not less than $25 nor more than $100 for the first offense and not less than $50 nor more than $200 for subsequent offenses.

You lose, internet lawyer. Wisconsin state law disagrees with your position that dogs can run free like a deer.

I didn't waste time looking up whether I could shoot a dog chasing cows on my property if I owned any in Wisconsin (which would be cool because it's beautiful up there). Also, I wouldn't care what the law says anyway. My place. My rules.

Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8217659
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bc it says you can shoot them. says something about trying to restrain them first but how hard do you have to reasonably try. I'm not going to try to grab a Strange dog and get bit. or watch it Graber one of my animals first.

it also said the owners are responsible for damages and maybe even 2x the cost of damages.

Re: Trespassers [Re: Providence Farm] #8217670
09/17/24 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
bc it says you can shoot them. says something about trying to restrain them first but how hard do you have to reasonably try. I'm not going to try to grab a Strange dog and get bit. or watch it Graber one of my animals first.

it also said the owners are responsible for damages and maybe even 2x the cost of damages.



I got bored reading Wisconsin laws. Had to move on to paying work.

Re: Trespassers [Re: ~ADC~] #8217679
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
I wonder if anyone considered if it was maybe an honest mistake? Maybe they honestly still thought they were on the property they had permission to be on? Probably not but before you bust into their house and shoot their pets, maybe you could consider it? No one is perfect.

An honest mistake?

With all the free mapping apps available today that show property boundaries?

That "dog won't hunt!"


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Re: Trespassers [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8217682
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by ~ADC~
I wonder if anyone considered if it was maybe an honest mistake? Maybe they honestly still thought they were on the property they had permission to be on? Probably not but before you bust into their house and shoot their pets, maybe you could consider it? No one is perfect.

An honest mistake?

With all the free mapping apps available today that show property boundaries?

That "dog won't hunt!"




The timber company marked the property line with blue paint and marking tape every 10 yards along the MFL boundary, so yea, im almost positive it wasn't just an honest mistake.


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Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8217696
09/17/24 12:35 PM
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That all changed about 40 yrs ago , as far as I recall

Same with me.
Occasionally you might see a Keep Out sign on a camp door.
Neighbors who objected for no reason other than its my land were shunned.
And usually lost all community support when in need,
Not many farms had doors that locked.
I remember our first house key and its location.
That need started around late 60's early 70's.
It was a wonderful time to explore the outdoors.
Its a shame that many generations past and future will never experience the freedoms lost .


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Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8217704
09/17/24 12:51 PM
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dillrod all anyone needs to do to experience freedom is move to Canada. Got my info from Boco.


I'm much younger but morn the fact my boys will never experience being able to run, 2 counties of strip mines to hunt with more lakes to fish and wide gravel hall roads to learn how to really drive on gravel.


Now it's all being sold off and leased up. I completely understand what your saying.


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Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8217722
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Originally Posted by chippewatrapper
In a world where so many people are trying to limit hunting and trapping rights


Sounds like you're trying to limit hunting by not allowing people on the "family forty".

I'm joking...kinda'.

This isn't uncommon with bear hunters or hound hunters in general.

Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8217723
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by ~ADC~
I wonder if anyone considered if it was maybe an honest mistake? Maybe they honestly still thought they were on the property they had permission to be on? Probably not but before you bust into their house and shoot their pets, maybe you could consider it? No one is perfect.

An honest mistake?

With all the free mapping apps available today that show property boundaries?

That "dog won't hunt!"


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Re: Trespassers [Re: ~ADC~] #8217729
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Re: Trespassers [Re: Providence Farm] #8217739
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
diggerman. your statute doesn't support your argument but does mine and Blain. Problem dog = dead dog perfectly legal.

Now how about talking about how much land you personally own?

I cant compete with you, you work harder , more hours, drive farther, shoot more dogs, own more land, make more money,etc,etc,. You are a legend in your own mind. Now you have a like minded chearleader, You have one upped me. I concede.

Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8217774
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Hey Diggerman you forgot drones.


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Re: Trespassers [Re: Diggerman] #8217780
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
diggerman. your statute doesn't support your argument but does mine and Blain. Problem dog = dead dog perfectly legal.

Now how about talking about how much land you personally own?

I cant compete with you, you work harder , more hours, drive farther, shoot more dogs, own more land, make more money,etc,etc,. You are a legend in your own mind. Now you have a like minded chearleader, You have one upped me. I concede.


I know nothing about you so that may be true or false. What is true is dogs dot have free range and can be shot if they are causing problems. Also true is the bear on privet land your dog is on is not your bear and your not entitled to it but you will be entitled to a trespassing ticket and possibly poaching if you shoot it.

I was just guessing you don't own any land more than your home due to your responses. if you had worked and paid for land and spent the time and cash improving on it paying taxes ect. you would understand its not OK to run all over anyone else's land chasing your dogs like it's yours. But people that have not done that think they can do what they want on others land. So I made some assumptions and they could have been wrong.

the only benefits in this discussion are if you learn the actual law so you won't get a negative surprise in the future. Being tickets or dead dogs. The dogs deserve better and it's your responsibility to keep them safe.

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There are guys around here that your next of kin will have to try and sue, if you kill their hounds.

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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
There are guys around here that your next of kin will have to try and sue, if you kill their hounds.



Yes the typical red necks that think like diggerman. They well may meet the same fate as their dogs. Or time in
the county jail. We have them here as well. Funny how things don't go as planed sometimes. But being fired up emotionally and geting aggressive with a man at his home and working themselves up more can lead to trying to be to fast and fumbling when trying to draw their pistol. Worked out well for me becuse he was still fumbling trying to get his revolver out when he realized he was covered with my glock. Had he got his gun out he would have been dead. I told him to get 25 min later herifff cars pulled up. He failed then called the cops. it was an inconvenience to me but he spent some time locked up.. Didn't quit go the way he planed it out. I was lucky he was so emotional and tried to be faster than his ability. Just guessing but I dot think he pract drawing either. other wise I may very well be dead. It was a long time ago I was maybe 21 only time I have pointed a gun at a man. Never want to have to do so again..

but again you seem think any dog will get shot on sight. they won't and may get a ride home if they are not causing problems. But if they are causing problems well...

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Well I've been o houndowner for over 50 years and if somebody shot my dog I don't think it would go well for them.if the dog was causing trouble I would like to get a phone call from the person so I could handle the situation myself.there was a similar situation 48 years ago where some dogs had some sheep corraled in a barn.there was a neighbors dog and 3 of the owners dogs in on it.the neighbors dog got shot and killed but the guy that owned the other 3 dogs didn't shoot his own.but this is getting away from the original posting.dogs should of been leashed up and left.the property or try to get ahold of the landowner explain the situation to him and get permission to harvest the bear simple as that it's not complicated.

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Originally Posted by Diggerman
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
diggerman. your statute doesn't support your argument but does mine and Blain. Problem dog = dead dog perfectly legal.

Now how about talking about how much land you personally own?

I cant compete with you, you work harder , more hours, drive farther, shoot more dogs, own more land, make more money,etc,etc,. You are a legend in your own mind. Now you have a like minded chearleader, You have one upped me. I concede.



Nobody can compete with Pontification Farm LOL. In addition to driving 65 hours to his 96 hours of work and managing the Indiana version of the Yellowstone Ranch he has time to type hours upon hours here.


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