Re: What motivates a person to end themselves?
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From what I know Pain, mental or financial Anger, I will show you Mental, I am nothing Get old and want to see Jesus
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Re: What motivates a person to end themselves?
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I was close to it at one time. A friend,a combat vet, with PSD seeking help went to counseling, He asked if anyone had ever been in a firefight, no one in the group had. He asked how can you help me. The counselor told him to leave "you are crazy". He with help from family and friends is working though it. In my opinion the Army should fire that counselor.
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Re: What motivates a person to end themselves?
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I was real close. Bad back pain. Unable to do anything. Figured if I couldn't live it was time to die. Wife called the VA. Put me on morphine. Withdrawal was bad. I didnt know I was addicted. VA sent me to Leavenworth. Doc said he didnt know if surgery would help. It did. I was lucky. Came home quit taking the morphine. Got sick thought I had infection. Doc chewed me out said I needed detox. It had already been several days and was not dead so just stayed home. I understand completely how some people don't think waiting for death is in their best interest.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: What motivates a person to end themselves?
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Weak minded people there not a better life waiting for ya just pain. If you're implying that everybody who commits suicide goes to the hot spot then that's just plum silly. It’s supposably in the Bible, take your own life, go to hades. Probably the only reason I’m typing this.
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Re: What motivates a person to end themselves?
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It’s supposably in the Bible, take your own life, go to hades. Probably the only reason I’m typing this. [/quote] It's not. Jesus's death is enough to forgive all our sins. This comes from a (catholic?) mindset that you have to confess and ask forgiveness for each and every one of your sins or you won't be forgiven. Hopefully you have a good memory and don't forget, I guess. The thinking is that you obviously can't ask forgiveness for suicide if you're dead. This is clearly not the case though. When Jesus was on the cross, one of the dudes next to him said " We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve, Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom" and Jesus told him “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” That guy confessed to being a sinner and being deserving of punishment, and asked Jesus to save him, but, importantly, didn't confess to any sin in particular. Yet Jesus still saved him.
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Re: What motivates a person to end themselves?
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It’s supposably in the Bible, take your own life, go to hades. Probably the only reason I’m typing this.
No it's not.
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Re: What motivates a person to end themselves?
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It’s supposably in the Bible, take your own life, go to hades. Probably the only reason I’m typing this.
It's not. Jesus's death is enough to forgive all our sins. This comes from a (catholic?) mindset that you have to confess and ask forgiveness for each and every one of your sins or you won't be forgiven. Hopefully you have a good memory and don't forget, I guess. The thinking is that you obviously can't ask forgiveness for suicide if you're dead. This is clearly not the case though. When Jesus was on the cross, one of the dudes next to him said " We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve, Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom" and Jesus told him “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” That guy confessed to being a sinner and being deserving of punishment, and asked Jesus to save him, but, importantly, didn't confess to any sin in particular. Yet Jesus still saved him. [/quote] *************** Catholic here. Let's say you are good with the Lord up until you pull the trigger. The last act is pulling the trigger and committing a big sin. You are no longer good with the Lord. The other dude on the cross was about to die. He confessed right before death and was therefore good with the Lord. Again, I am a Catholic so I am admittedly not a biblical scholar--although I have been doing a lot of reading!
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Re: What motivates a person to end themselves?
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I don't understand what makes a person take their own life. The best you can do, in my opinion, is work on keeping your own mind and body healthy. Try to support those you love in doing the same. But, I really don't know--it's very sad.
It's especially tragic when it is a young man or woman. The bullying thing is real (we had it but it was just part of life back in the day and kids could handle it better, I think). I have instructed my kids to beat the brakes off of any kid they see bullying a weaker kid. I'd rather deal with that than read about another suicide in our community. I think the large difference between now and then was we only had to deal with it for a few hours a day. Now kids come home from school and spend their entire time on social media where the bullying doesn't stop. Ol dad
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Re: What motivates a person to end themselves?
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I don't understand what makes a person take their own life. The best you can do, in my opinion, is work on keeping your own mind and body healthy. Try to support those you love in doing the same. But, I really don't know--it's very sad.
It's especially tragic when it is a young man or woman. The bullying thing is real (we had it but it was just part of life back in the day and kids could handle it better, I think). I have instructed my kids to beat the brakes off of any kid they see bullying a weaker kid. I'd rather deal with that than read about another suicide in our community. I think the large difference between now and then was we only had to deal with it for a few hours a day. Now kids come home from school and spend their entire time on social media where the bullying doesn't stop. Ol dad Excellent point.
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Re: What motivates a person to end themselves?
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Look up side effects of meds they prescribe and you’ll find your answer… Sitting down at the dinner table with your family every night, opening with a prayer, is a far better remedy than any prescribed medicine. Ol dad
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Re: What motivates a person to end themselves?
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So many ways to discuss death.
I do not believe a person who commits suicide go to hades. They are not in their right minds mentally. Something is chemically wrong with their body and causes depression so bad they cannot get out of it unless they seek help or are committed.
To say someone will go to hades who commits suicide will also condemn every doctor and nurse to the same fate. How many nurses and doctors have given a terminally ill patient a control for an ungoverned morphine pump in the name of mercy?
I had a cousin commit suicide with tylenol. Very potent OTC when taken in large amounts. She was stuck in a circle of needed beauty affirmation and was not getting what she needed. She died thinking she was too ugly to exist. She had accepted Christ as her savior and I know she is saved. It was awful what happened to her.
If you see no way out of your situation, GO TO YOUR DOCTOR!!! Mental health is more important than physical health. We all need help coping with this world. Some get it from prayer and GOD. Some get it from professional help. Either way, there is no shame.
This is motivating me to get help as I don't know what will happen with me. I have PTSD as a Gulf War vet. I haven't sought help because I consider myself "tough enough" and think there are other people who are worse than me that need it. I don't want to take away from their possible spot. Thanks PF.
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Re: What motivates a person to end themselves?
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Be thankful you can not understand it. I understand it now, but could never do that to the people who love me. It's a loss of hope. For some people who don't have God, I think the demons just overwhelm them with irrational thoughts, but even if you do believe, circumstances can seem too much to deal with. I have been through it with two very close family members In both cases alcohol was a part of the problem But the truth i s I believe the problem caused the use of alcohol not the suicide Of course our family is not perfect but t neither is it a never ending battle of hated for each other In fact I would say most people would be glad to have brothers and sisters that are like mind It is impossible for nearly all of us to know why If you have the kind of thoughts you should g get help immediately And i can tell you from experience it hurts those left to try t o know why feeling helpless over the loss they are now faced with Life is hard some times and I have no explanation hat makes it any easier.
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Re: What motivates a person to end themselves?
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It breaks my heart when I hear that another veteran gives up life.
Of course, anyone who does that , it's heartbreaking to hear.
My soft place is especially for veterans , who have given so much , and still sacrifice so much just coping with everything , after their service.
Words need to be "seasoned with salt", so as to KNOW how to make a response , to help.
The VA has refined its help much better than years ago, and there are very good groups of vets who are amazing in their help. All the time, to fellow vets in their dark times.
They are on call 24/7 for that one vet who needs them. Worth their weight in gold. They truly understand how to be encouraging .
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