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Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: Andrew N.] #8245038 10/25/24 11:05 PM 10/25/24 11:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,825 S.E. Ohio M M.Magis trapper
M.Magis trapper M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,825 S.E. Ohio	Consistency is the biggest pro to swaging. It can’t be wrong. I would say smashing is rarely going to be bad, but not impossible. And there’s no way to know until it fails. But its absolutely false to claim smashing/ punched is stronger. Its not even possible. Sometimes I think some here make things up just to get a rise out of people.

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: Andrew N.] #8245048 10/25/24 11:12 PM 10/25/24 11:12 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 46,929 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 46,929 james bay frontierOnt.	Snared lots of wolves over the years and the only ones that the wolves pulled off were the swaged ones.Never had a wolf pull off a hammered and crosspunched ferrel. So that is straight from on the line use experience. Not bookreading parroting bs. Last edited by Boco; 10/25/24 11:13 PM. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: Andrew N.] #8245547 10/26/24 05:50 PM 10/26/24 05:50 PM
Joined: Oct 2023 Posts: 704 OR W wws trapper
wws trapper W Joined: Oct 2023 Posts: 704 OR	I use 3/32 cable 7x7. I use a hand swagger in a mount on my bench, it’s the same motion as loading bullets in a rock chucker. I leave none sticking out, swage it twice now however when I only pressed it once I never had anything fail. I have held bears and cougars with my setup. I have complete confidence in them. That’s what’s important to me. Western Wildlife Services

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: Boco] #8245664 10/26/24 07:33 PM 10/26/24 07:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,825 S.E. Ohio M M.Magis trapper
M.Magis trapper M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,825 S.E. Ohio	Originally Posted by Boco Snared lots of wolves over the years and the only ones that the wolves pulled off were the swaged ones.Never had a wolf pull off a hammered and crosspunched ferrel. So that is straight from on the line use experience. Not bookreading parroting bs. And thats what you consider proof? You should have just said you made it up.

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: Andrew N.] #8245787 10/26/24 09:54 PM 10/26/24 09:54 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,627 Wisconsin Muskrat trapper
Muskrat trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,627 Wisconsin	uh oh

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: M.Magis] #8245825 10/26/24 11:36 PM 10/26/24 11:36 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 46,929 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 46,929 james bay frontierOnt.	Originally Posted by M.Magis Originally Posted by Boco Snared lots of wolves over the years and the only ones that the wolves pulled off were the swaged ones.Never had a wolf pull off a hammered and crosspunched ferrel. So that is straight from on the line use experience. Not bookreading parroting bs. And thats what you consider proof? You should have just said you made it up. Certainly is proof,cant get any more solid proof than real world experience. Now go back to parroting from utubee. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: Andrew N.] #8245900 10/27/24 06:59 AM 10/27/24 06:59 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 18,569 Rodney,Ohio SNIPERBBB trapper
SNIPERBBB trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 18,569 Rodney,Ohio	Properly swaged cable sleeves have a 90% breaking strength of the cable. 3/32 7x7 is just over 900# breaking strength. Working load limit is about half that. so id question the swaging http://www.sniperstrappingplace.com/tmansearch.php

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: Andrew N.] #8245916 10/27/24 07:36 AM 10/27/24 07:36 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,054 SE Kentucky K kytrapper trapper
kytrapper trapper K Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,054 SE Kentucky	I’m a big hammer, four or five lite licks guy. I pulled a girls car that was over a road bank back up in the road once with one of my 1/8 inch extension cables but it was shot and about to fail. I have started using double ferrules on the bottoms of my cabled wolf fang anchors as some of the ground I trap, old strip pits, is so hard I think it was sucking the cable out of the ferrule just from driving. Haven’t tried them yet but 8-10 cents more is worth my peace of mind. Anyone else ever experienced this?

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: Andrew N.] #8246358 10/27/24 06:51 PM 10/27/24 06:51 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,850 New Mexico and Nevada A Andrew N. OP trapper
Andrew N. OP trapper A Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,850 New Mexico and Nevada	Well since I had to try it, I bought a $30 swager on Amazon and made up a bunch of cables wolf fangs. With info from both crowds, I’m still not completely sure which is best. Guess I’ll give this a go. I’d say if there’s a failure with the crimped cables, I’ll switch to hammering. Unfortunately a “failure” means lost trap and animal.

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: Andrew N.] #8246578 10/27/24 10:44 PM 10/27/24 10:44 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 17,181 Iowa ~ADC~ The Count
~ADC~ The Count Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 17,181 Iowa	Originally Posted by Andrew N. Well since I had to try it, I bought a $30 swager on Amazon and made up a bunch of cables wolf fangs. With info from both crowds, I’m still not completely sure which is best. Guess I’ll give this a go. I’d say if there’s a failure with the crimped cables, I’ll switch to hammering. Unfortunately a “failure” means lost trap and animal. Which one did you buy, specifically? www.iowatrappertalk.com ADC's Baits Click Here <--

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: ~ADC~] #8246596 10/28/24 12:16 AM 10/28/24 12:16 AM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,850 New Mexico and Nevada A Andrew N. OP trapper
Andrew N. OP trapper A Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,850 New Mexico and Nevada	Originally Posted by ~ADC~ Originally Posted by Andrew N. Well since I had to try it, I bought a $30 swager on Amazon and made up a bunch of cables wolf fangs. With info from both crowds, I’m still not completely sure which is best. Guess I’ll give this a go. I’d say if there’s a failure with the crimped cables, I’ll switch to hammering. Unfortunately a “failure” means lost trap and animal. Which one did you buy, specifically?

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: Andrew N.] #8246776 10/28/24 09:25 AM 10/28/24 09:25 AM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 17,181 Iowa ~ADC~ The Count
~ADC~ The Count Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 17,181 Iowa	Those should work. Not near as handy as a bench swager but, if you're not doing many hundreds of cable stakes or snares, should be just fine. How many crimps are you doing? I crimp stops twice , that covers the entire length of them, and I crimp double ferrules three times, once towards each end and then once in the middle, and that covers the entire length of them. I leave about 1/16" of the cable beyond the stop or ferrule. It opens up slightly and would make it a lot harder for them to slip, yet is short enough that it will not poke your gloves or fingers. www.iowatrappertalk.com ADC's Baits Click Here <--

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: ~ADC~] #8246841 10/28/24 10:56 AM 10/28/24 10:56 AM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,850 New Mexico and Nevada A Andrew N. OP trapper
Andrew N. OP trapper A Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,850 New Mexico and Nevada	Originally Posted by ~ADC~ Those should work. Not near as handy as a bench swager but, if you're not doing many hundreds of cable stakes or snares, should be just fine. How many crimps are you doing? I crimp stops twice , that covers the entire length of them, and I crimp double ferrules three times, once towards each end and then once in the middle, and that covers the entire length of them. I leave about 1/16" of the cable beyond the stop or ferrule. It opens up slightly and would make it a lot harder for them to slip, yet is short enough that it will not poke your gloves or fingers. That's how i did mine, 3 crimps. just made up 4 dozen. we shall see how it goes. Thanks!

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: ~ADC~] #8246892 10/28/24 12:09 PM 10/28/24 12:09 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 46,929 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 46,929 james bay frontierOnt.	Originally Posted by ~ADC~ Those should work. Not near as handy as a bench swager but, if you're not doing many hundreds of cable stakes or snares, should be just fine. How many crimps are you doing? I crimp stops twice , that covers the entire length of them, and I crimp double ferrules three times, once towards each end and then once in the middle, and that covers the entire length of them. I leave about 1/16" of the cable beyond the stop or ferrule. It opens up slightly and would make it a lot harder for them to slip, yet is short enough that it will not poke your gloves or fingers. Some wolf snaremen would put a bead of weld at the end of the cable where it stuck thru the ferrel to prevent it pulling off from a big wolf or bear.it also prevented sticking and fur damage from the frayed wire.Myself,I no longer use end stops. Last edited by Boco; 10/28/24 12:10 PM. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: Andrew N.] #8246991 10/28/24 02:38 PM 10/28/24 02:38 PM
Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 737 Lakes Region Indiana L loosanarrow trapper
loosanarrow trapper L Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 737 Lakes Region Indiana	You might check out how Newt uses a double ferrule as an end stop. I believe he claims it is stronger than the breaking strength of the cable. I have never had a snare fail at a stop though, so not sure it matters for my uses. If you are pulling earth anchors with levers and such, maybe there will be a noticeable difference. http://www.mgnbd.com/

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: loosanarrow] #8247156 10/28/24 05:46 PM 10/28/24 05:46 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 46,929 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 46,929 james bay frontierOnt.	Originally Posted by loosanarrow You might check out how Newt uses a double ferrule as an end stop. I believe he claims it is stronger than the breaking strength of the cable. I have never had a snare fail at a stop though, so not sure it matters for my uses. If you are pulling earth anchors with levers and such, maybe there will be a noticeable difference. I used the double end stop for 40 years on wolf snares. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: Andrew N.] #8255037 11/05/24 10:26 PM 11/05/24 10:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 8,004 Virginia 5 52Carl trapper
52Carl trapper 5 Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 8,004 Virginia	A swager is a smasher. It just makes a neater smash. I do know this. When I smash them, I know when it is adequately smashed. I have a bench swager that I use to mass produce a bunch of cables. You have to make sure that you keep it adjusted to produce a secure smash. There are a lot of moving parts which wear over time, requiring you to tighten up the adjuster from time to time.

Re: Aluminum ferrules: smash or swage [Re: Andrew N.] #8255629 11/06/24 11:15 AM 11/06/24 11:15 AM
Joined: Feb 2022 Posts: 17 MN M Mntrapman trapper
Mntrapman trapper M Joined: Feb 2022 Posts: 17 MN	Was watching I think it was wiebe trapline adventures the other day on trapping some coyotes and bobcats down south west. Anyway, seen the fellas staking system was a Berkshire stake with a home made slide hammer. His cables were run through the stake with just a stop. No loop and ferrel just a cable stop. Thought that was an interesting system. New guy still learning

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