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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Boco] #8294006
12/26/24 02:39 PM
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Northern Maine
Bruce T Offline OP
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Originally Posted by Boco
Belts last a long time if you dont burn them up trying to get unstuck.
I think everybody has at least one spare belt stashed somewhere on their machines.

Thanks, good to know.I always carry two extra belts


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Boco] #8294017
12/26/24 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
If I am not mistaken,even the newer 2 strokes with a manual starter will not run with a pooched battery.
Some juice is needed for the electronic fuel injection?


I had to add a recoil (rope start) as an accessory on my Tundra 600 efi. I can pull start it with a dead battery. That is one of the reasons I chose the 2 stroke. I was out with a friend once, many miles from the nearest rode. He was riding a Tundra with the 600 ACE and I was driving my 550 Tundra. His battery went dead and our only option was to take the battery out of my machine and put it in his. Every time I had to pull start mine the rest of the day, I made sure to remind him that I was having to pull the rope. That experience was in the back of my mind when I was deciding between the ACE and the EFI.

There are efi machines that don’t even have batteries. My mountain machine is an efi machine without a battery.

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8294047
12/26/24 04:46 PM
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Don't forget a good wolverine dispatch kit!


Who is John Galt?
Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8294052
12/26/24 04:51 PM
12/26/24 04:51 PM
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Anchorage, Alaska
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
How hard are the four strokes on belts?


They are super easy on belts compared to my 2 stroke mountain sleds. I bought one sled with about 3,000 miles on it and the clutches and belt needed some love and the other had 7,000 miles on it with no issues with the clutches or belt. Since first purchasing them I have had no issues and I am a bit rough on things. Constantly starting and stopping, towing things, going through very rough terrain in low range and up steep hills. Not to mention the number of times I have had to winch out of my trapping area in the SWT while towing my trapping toboggan.

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: martentrapper] #8294054
12/26/24 04:56 PM
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Anchorage, Alaska
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Originally Posted by martentrapper
Originally Posted by broncoformudv


Yes they are electric start only. Changing starters is easier on them than it is on the 2strokes. But how often has the starter in your car or truck gone out?

The point of the question was to point out having a starter failure in the field means a walk back to the truck, cabin, etc.
Dirts tongue in cheek question makes me wonder, can you pull start the engine from the clutch?
Starters on road vehicles rarely go out, but when they do you're on a road. Help is likely not too far away.


I have seen a couple videos of guys pull starting the ACE engines. Think I will pass on doing that. I remember trying that on similar sized yamaha outboard 4 strokes and it not being enjoyable. Starters are small enough and light enough if you were concerned it would be easy enough to bring a spare with you. Thats what I have done on remote trips. Bought a used one off ebay and keep it in my spare parts kit for long remote trips.

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8294055
12/26/24 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
How hard are the four strokes on belts?

The skidoos are great, I have a 900 ACE SWT with 6000 miles on it, almost all towing a sled and it is on its original belt. You won't get that out of a Tundra or Expedition Sport four stroke, because they don't have the two speed transmission and are a little high geared for tight, twisty trails. But they will still do good on belts. The Arctic Cat four stroke I had however was a belt eater, it didn't have the multiple speed transmission (2012 Bearcat wide track, some of the newer ones actually have a 3-speed transmission) but I put lower aftermarket gears in it. That helped, but it still went through 6-8 belts a winter.

Always carry a spare belt, I used to carry at least two in the Arctic Cat.

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Dirt] #8294057
12/26/24 05:02 PM
12/26/24 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
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Don't forget a good wolverine dispatch kit!

Yep my .22 pistol


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8294211
12/26/24 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Originally Posted by Dirt
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Don't forget a good wolverine dispatch kit!

Yep my .22 pistol

I recommend NOT shooting it in the head. The skull is a nice trophy or is worth 50 bucks. Maybe more depending on where you advertise it.

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: martentrapper] #8294213
12/26/24 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by martentrapper
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I recommend NOT shooting it in the head. The skull is a nice trophy or is worth 50 bucks. Maybe more depending on where you advertise it.

Nothing will be for sale.Big taxidermy bill.lol
grin


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8294216
12/26/24 08:54 PM
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Northern Maine
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Right now I'm leaning towards a expedition or scandic.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Dirt] #8294339
12/27/24 01:22 AM
12/27/24 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
rope start them on the clutch with the shoe laces from those new bunny boots?

Dispatched a lynx once with bunny boot lace. I wouldn’t want a machine in the bush that you couldn’t hand pull start as a backup

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8294458
12/27/24 08:42 AM
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You can smoke a belt unloading your new machine after hauling it to the shack and it kinda freezes up. Tried backing up, could smell burnt rubber but I barely tried so figured it was still good. It drove “fine” for a few weeks when I decided to replace it. It was all glased but was a different machine with a new belt…lol.
One thing to ask is how your EFI is powered, is there a fuel pump and how they might be powered. I’ve heard of guys with 4 strokes getting home with one of those little lithium booster packs.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8294494
12/27/24 09:30 AM
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My first machine was Skandic SWT w/ a 550F. It was a great beaver trapping machine. Gas guzzler. Hard to turn with the super wide track.

Upgraded to an Expedition w/ a 4-stroke in 2017. Sips gas. Lots of power. Super comfortable ride. Heavy. I don't trap like I used to, but I pull a lot of ice shacks and it's great for that.

If I was buying a machine just for trapping, it would probably be a Skandic SWT. Of course, conditions in WI are nothing like Alaska. FWIW.

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8294536
12/27/24 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Snowsled that will go thru deep snow and break trail.Not looking for a trail sled.Not so heavy that you can't get it unstuck.Light enough to be able to move it around by hand.

As you can see they don't make these anymore and everybody led you in a different direction. smile


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Dirt] #8294558
12/27/24 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
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Don't forget a good wolverine dispatch kit!


That looks like the infamous white17 dispatch kit.

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8294591
12/27/24 12:32 PM
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At least the paper bag part.

I don't know how many of you have tried counting coup on a wolverine with a stick. I have found it to be quite challenging !


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: white17] #8294694
12/27/24 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by white17
At least the paper bag part.

I don't know how many of you have tried counting coup on a wolverine with a stick. I have found it to be quite challenging !

LOL....bet that would be fun to watch


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: white17] #8294751
12/27/24 04:07 PM
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Chicken, Alaska
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Originally Posted by white17


I don't know how many of you have tried counting coup on a wolverine with a stick. I have found it to be quite challenging !


Fruitless .... is how I found it !!

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8297354
12/30/24 11:27 AM
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I have a two year old skandic 600ace wt

1 they are tippy
2 the fuel tank sock filters plug up and need replacement
3 the radiator needs better shielding from incoming sticks
4 they are tippy
5 they are tippy

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Chickenminer] #8297357
12/30/24 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Chickenminer
Originally Posted by white17


I don't know how many of you have tried counting coup on a wolverine with a stick. I have found it to be quite challenging !


Fruitless .... is how I found it !!


I use the back of an axe (not hatchet)

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