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Re: Youngster dropped another tree. [Re: Providence Farm] #8315513 01/18/25 10:56 AM 01/18/25 10:56 AM
Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 5,095 MN D Donnersurvivor trapper
Donnersurvivor trapper D Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 5,095 MN	My opinion is that the safest way to fell a tree is to not be near a tree falling. If your not trying to save saw logs or logging for a living I always recommend a good rope and throw ball. Throw through the canopy and base tie the rope, do your notch and back cut leaving plenty of hinge, get away from the tree and pull the tree down, preferably by hand. You'll end up pulling more fibers and screwing up some saw logs but it's well worth it considering the safety factor. We likely have ropes in 75%+ of all the trees we fell, often time we feel we don't even need it but it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. A couple throw balls and 200' of Samson stable braid can go a long ways. We drop far less trees than the loggers but we also deal with a lot of real garbage in extremely tight quarters. Not saying you need ropes in every tree but I make my guys put one in most.

Re: Youngster dropped another tree. [Re: Providence Farm] #8315525 01/18/25 11:23 AM 01/18/25 11:23 AM
Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 14,843 Ky J jbyrd63 trapper
jbyrd63 trapper J Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 14,843 Ky	Originally Posted by Providence Farm Originally Posted by jbyrd63 So thats a long answer of NO ? read it any way you want to hot rod. My young boys can and do more than most grown men. And they have never crashed the boat. I hope they never do !!! I knocked my lower unit off. Don't know if that is considered crashing a boat.. PF never said your boys weren't learning valuable life skills . In fact glad to see some of todays youth doing manual labor Just wondering how they could do so much if they were in school. But you might have them on the 37 hr a day work schedule you yourself maintain.

Re: Youngster dropped another tree. [Re: Providence Farm] #8315532 01/18/25 11:34 AM 01/18/25 11:34 AM
Joined: Nov 2024 Posts: 257 Ohio 3 32summit40 trapper
32summit40 trapper 3 Joined: Nov 2024 Posts: 257 Ohio	Hey thanks.......never thought of that.......it will be spring before you know it........and I have 4. 18 inch oak and ash to cut......not big, but a huge job for me......thanks again Not a trapper, cage trap racoon skunk groundhog in barn, those who are insulting, go annoy others, if you have humorous comment fine, only fresh stuff

Re: Youngster dropped another tree. [Re: Providence Farm] #8315551 01/18/25 11:57 AM 01/18/25 11:57 AM
Joined: Nov 2024 Posts: 954 Alaska A AK Timber Tramp trapper
AK Timber Tramp trapper A Joined: Nov 2024 Posts: 954 Alaska	I never went to school past the 8th grade, it hasn't been a detriment to me. My dad had to take a job in a logging camp and there was nobody to take me, so I went with him. I started helping turn wrenches and running a dozer, and I was bucking for my dad within a few months. He took off for Ketchikan one weekend and I was asked if I could finish cutting his strip, and I did. Apparently I did a decent job, because ever since then I haven't had a chance to set my saw down

Re: Youngster dropped another tree. [Re: jbyrd63] #8315560 01/18/25 12:09 PM 01/18/25 12:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,236 Nebraska T Trapset trapper
Trapset trapper T Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,236 Nebraska	Originally Posted by jbyrd63 So that’s a long answer of NO ? I done all those things plus went to public schools interacting with others. Developing social skills. Lived in the woods if I wasn’t in school.Read constantly because no tv back then. Spent EVERY Saturday cutting wood entire month of October at 13. 2 pickup truck loads. 1 for my grandmother 1 for my parents. My father suffered a massive widow maker heart attack at 38. 11 days in intensive care. I cut the tree. Sawed up the wood. Split it by hand. Loaded it then ricked it when it got home. Trapped foxes and sit every evening by a den shooting greys when they came out. Average 55 foxes a year walking every step doing it. Only thing that kept my parents from losing every thing they had. At 45-50 bucks each that was great money for r a young teenager. Parents got every penny of it. Paid me back every penny of it also. So if the need is there most thing you want your kids to do can and still get an education. Today’s schools are unfortunately different than when I went !! I’m guessing you walked up hill both ways to school in 2’ of snow? www.rtssetter.com

Re: Youngster dropped another tree. [Re: Providence Farm] #8315574 01/18/25 12:18 PM 01/18/25 12:18 PM
Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 3,314 new york M mike mason trapper
mike mason trapper M Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 3,314 new york	My brother and I would cut ash bolts after school and deliver them to the bat factory on Saturday. We were 10 and 12 years old and loaded them in a Ford Ranchero for delivery. The bat plant was 8 miles from the farm. We had no license (farm truck) and the log scaler always laughed when we showed up. We made great money.

Re: Youngster dropped another tree. [Re: 32summit40] #8315604 01/18/25 01:00 PM 01/18/25 01:00 PM
Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 2,701 Tug Hill, NY S Squash trapper
Squash trapper S Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 2,701 Tug Hill, NY	Originally Posted by 32summit40 Squash......I'm not a pro tree person......I only cut for firewood or storm damage on my farm ...use16 inch sthil with easy start...a really good product.....your description of bore cutting is exactly what I have experienced to a T. .....my problem is aligning horizontal cuts to all match up at right points.....is there trick to this........would painting lines on trunk help keeping cuts matching up....thanks..... Most professional saws have raised embossed lines on the body of the saw. They are there for a reason. You can use these lines to help with lining up your cuts and for directional falling. Even with the open face notch your back cut should be an inch or two , depending on tree diameter, higher than your initial under cut for the notch. As timber tramp stated, that top notching , which is kind of what the open face notch is, can promote the tree butt to kick backwards off the stump as the hinge breaks loose. Making your back or felling cut a bit higher helps prevent that. But lining up your cuts really ends up being an experience thing, the more you do it the better you get doing it. Last edited by Squash; 01/18/25 01:05 PM.

Re: Youngster dropped another tree. [Re: mike mason] #8315609 01/18/25 01:07 PM 01/18/25 01:07 PM
Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 2,701 Tug Hill, NY S Squash trapper
Squash trapper S Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 2,701 Tug Hill, NY	Originally Posted by mike mason My brother and I would cut ash bolts after school and deliver them to the bat factory on Saturday. We were 10 and 12 years old and loaded them in a Ford Ranchero for delivery. The bat plant was 8 miles from the farm. We had no license (farm truck) and the log scaler always laughed when we showed up. We made great money. Was the mill Adirondack Rawlings in Dolgeville ?

Re: Youngster dropped another tree. [Re: Providence Farm] #8315615 01/18/25 01:13 PM 01/18/25 01:13 PM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 25,504 New Hampshire N Nessmuck trapper
Nessmuck trapper N Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 25,504 New Hampshire	It's all fun and games ...until someone loses an eye It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

Re: Youngster dropped another tree. [Re: Squash] #8315625 01/18/25 01:26 PM 01/18/25 01:26 PM
Joined: Nov 2024 Posts: 257 Ohio 3 32summit40 trapper
32summit40 trapper 3 Joined: Nov 2024 Posts: 257 Ohio	Thanks for detailing......I think I got better idea now than last fall trees cut...........never experienced it......only from videos on line........thing called barber chair.....looks ugly...... Not a trapper, cage trap racoon skunk groundhog in barn, those who are insulting, go annoy others, if you have humorous comment fine, only fresh stuff

Re: Youngster dropped another tree. [Re: Providence Farm] #8316101 01/18/25 08:12 PM 01/18/25 08:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2019 Posts: 4,581 North central Iowa B Bob_Iowa trapper
Bob_Iowa trapper B Joined: Jan 2019 Posts: 4,581 North central Iowa	I’d say their on their way to a good life, I’ve always cut tree’s like AK said and for the same reasons, I do use wedges though.

Re: Youngster dropped another tree. [Re: Squash] #8316113 01/18/25 08:19 PM 01/18/25 08:19 PM
Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 3,314 new york M mike mason trapper
mike mason trapper M Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 3,314 new york	Originally Posted by Squash Originally Posted by mike mason My brother and I would cut ash bolts after school and deliver them to the bat factory on Saturday. We were 10 and 12 years old and loaded them in a Ford Ranchero for delivery. The bat plant was 8 miles from the farm. We had no license (farm truck) and the log scaler always laughed when we showed up. We made great money. Was the mill Adirondack Rawlings in Dolgeville ? Latimer and Norton in Hancock. I think Louisville Slugger.

Re: Youngster dropped another tree. [Re: Providence Farm] #8316239 01/18/25 10:29 PM 01/18/25 10:29 PM
Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 888 wisconsin M Muskratwalt trapper
Muskratwalt trapper M Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 888 wisconsin	Two men were killed last week in my part of Wis. when the bucket they were both in tipped over while trimming trees. The news reported the bucket vehicle apparently was on a slight incline. They were 61 and 63 years old, both with the same last name so might have been brothers. Quite a tragedy. Walt legge

Re: Youngster dropped another tree. [Re: Bob_Iowa] #8316248 01/18/25 10:34 PM 01/18/25 10:34 PM
Joined: Nov 2024 Posts: 954 Alaska A AK Timber Tramp trapper
AK Timber Tramp trapper A Joined: Nov 2024 Posts: 954 Alaska	Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa I’d say their on their way to a good life, I’ve always cut tree’s like AK said and for the same reasons, I do use wedges though. I use wedges too, just very very sparingly. I get paid by the thousand board feet, so if I can use a Dutchman (swing cut) to get them laid where I need them, then that's my preferred method. Not recommending anyone try it, it's not for the faint of heart and if you make a miscalculation and try to swing the wrong tree it will kill you or at the very least rip the saw out of your hand and mash it into the ground

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