Re: Lynx sets
[Re: guloboy]
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02/24/07 03:36 AM
02/24/07 03:36 AM
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SEwaterboy
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Makes sense. What do you guys typically consider a 'safe' harvest ratio for your personal areas? I've never caught one(made a few sets)but it is interesting. On the islands here they are few and far between. I actually found a wolf-killed one this year as well as saw a live one on the beach. Accordingly to F and G I probably saw half the population of the island! The mainland, a short distance away, is actually one of the top producers down here. In fact FandG is doing a wolvy study right now over there and alot of specimens from the state are being sent here. Last count they had caught four but three chewed their way out of the box. They were using too soft of wood. It is an interesting study and I'm looking forward to reading the results. They have bait stations set up with cameras hoping to get one on film feeding. They haven't succeeded yet, but I guess they got some good footage of other stuff eating. Apparently there was an eagle hanging off the bait upside down like a bat chewing away.
Last edited by SEwaterboy; 02/24/07 03:38 AM.
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Re: Lynx sets
[Re: piperniner]
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02/25/07 01:42 AM
02/25/07 01:42 AM
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martentrapper
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OK, Piper, why is it important to let the line rest? Gulo took 8 wolverine, just over half being female. Gulo, were those all adult females? How about the males? Adult female wolverine are pregnant when they enter the trapping season. Younger ones would not be. How many miles of line did those 8 wolverine come from? Were there other trappers, other wolverine taken, near you? How about sign at the end of the season? Were there still tracks of wolverine you didn't catch? What sort of prey is in the area? Small game? Large game?
I think there are many factors to consider when considering letting a line rest. Just because a certain number of females were taken doesn't necessarily mean you over harvested your area.
Letting a line rest assumes that the animal species your "resting" will repopulate in your absense. Not always the case. There is much more at play in our trapping country than just us trappers. mt
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Re: Lynx sets
[Re: piperniner]
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02/25/07 11:12 PM
02/25/07 11:12 PM
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guloboy
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Marten: The line is being rested for numerous reasons. You obviously know a fair bit about wolverine management, and your questions are all pertinent when it comes to deciding how much trapping power one should exhibit on wolverine. We considered all of your points (and a couple others), when we decided to lay off the line for a year.
Refugia is the major key, and is always a good thing. Yes, we do have lots of refugia around us. We have spatial refugias as the adjacent areas have little trapping pressure. There is no doubt, we could of gone out there and caught wolverine this year, but we were unsure if it would of been worth the time, gas and effort to trap it again. When we decided not to trap the line this year, a second type of refugia was created: a temporal refugia. I am willing to bet the decision not to trap this year will benefit us next year.
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Re: Lynx sets
[Re: guloboy]
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02/26/07 12:48 AM
02/26/07 12:48 AM
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Kusko
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Nice catch and great picture.
"There are three things I have learned never to discuss with people: religion, politics and the Great Pumpkin." Linus Van Pelt www.alaskafinandfur.com
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Re: Lynx sets
[Re: piperniner]
#112359
02/27/07 03:43 PM
02/27/07 03:43 PM
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martentrapper
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Well this is supposed to be a "lynx" thread. For most of us, weasther, snow conditions, etc, etc, limit just how much time and effort we can put into our trapline. I'm skeptical that just catching a certain number of wolverine means you may have overharvested your country. Your example of seeing less tracks after catching nine isn't very relavent in my mind, as seeing tracks from an airplane is so dependant on several variables. Since I'm familiar with what an airplane can and can't do, I'm also skeptical that an airplane trapper can really cover his area well, with sets. An airplane trapper is limited to where he can safely land. Even if you catch every wolverine that hits your sets, your just not going to get enough sets out to overharvest your wolverine pop. Even if a guy does overharvest at some level, sooner or later, other factors that effect our lives will most likely cause that trapper to do something different on his line, such as Gulo concentrating on lynx this year. A "healthy" ecosystem is constantly changing. The idea that there should always be X number of every species, or a "minimum" number is not natural in my view. Sure, I'd want to be able to get a certain number of every species if I could, and if I trapped the same area every year. But what we want, and what nature provides, are rarely the same.
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Re: Lynx sets
[Re: piperniner]
#113604
02/28/07 12:08 AM
02/28/07 12:08 AM
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T. Meyer
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piperniner,
I ended up with 16 cats for the season. I was happy with that considering my season was only six weeks long and I had out only 30 sets.
Gulo,
Very nice put up on your fur, great job!
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