Lure Makers Successor’s?
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Just a question for the Lure Makers out there, do you have a successor lined up? Or will the Business Die with you. I think that’s what happened to Buffalo Creek Lures, it was sad to see them go.
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
[Re: Fire Fly Guy]
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Paul Dobbins
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At this time I have no successor.
I do have some of Dave's stuff. I can make his Cherry Red, Grizzly King, Fall Fury, the Hawk series, Cold River Call, Red River Call, Southern Nights, K-9 Elixir, Ultesian, Otter Oil, Certified Mink Seed, Ultesian, Autumn Haze, All Call, Muscaro Musk, etc.
However, I won't put any of it on the market because his daughter doesn't want it to continue.
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
[Re: Paul Dobbins]
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I always had very good luck with his lures. They were always top quality. It's nice that you respect his families wishes.
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
[Re: Paul Dobbins]
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Asa, Do you have anyone lined up? The Lenon's line of lures would be a great loss.
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
[Re: Fire Fly Guy]
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I have always considered purchasing someones line of lures and baits. The selfish attitude of letting the product die with them is just that, selfish. Trapping, the history of trapping, and the traditions of trapping are bigger than any one of us. To take something that has meant so much to you, and not pass it on for generations of trappers to come is about the worst thing a man could do. At the same time, I can also understand the dedication and extreme care that one takes when formulating his passion and the desire for the next generation not to ruin it. This still should not be a final deterrant.
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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I wouldn't feel comfortable selling or passing on Lenon lures to anyone who wasn't already a lure maker who had pride in their work and at least a basic working knowledge of formulating and ageing lures. I have a feeling that is what Dave meant, that he didn't want to go through training a successor who was just looking for a dollar, not passing it on to someone like Paul that could follow his procedures with care and understanding. The Daughter obviously took Dave's statement literally. Ace Good post Asa. I would hope most lure makers (or any producer of such a "specialized" product) would agree with this. Too many things anymore are bought up and produced for the almighty buck, with little thought given to the actual product.
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
[Re: LT GREY]
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The coyotes attempting to get into the fish oil is a good example Lt Grey in the differences in coyote behavior from region to region. Over my liftime I have had more bear than I can count trying to break into my lure making building, a number of bobcats sitting on the steps examining the building and sniffing around the door cracks, fox circleing the building and making scent posts on the corner blocks, timber wolves looking the building over, fishers and coon trying dig in from underneath BUT never once did I ever see a coyote or coyote tracks in the snow close to the building. I've seen them out 75 yards or so traipsing back and forth, making wide circles way out from the building, standing on their hind legs in the weeds looking the place over from 75 yards, etc. It is just too unnatural and overwhelming in odor for a suspicious coyote in this area I guess. Ace
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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i would like to set all over your shed ace!....and i would mind carrying your gift if you wouldn't come down and teach me..... but first i have to learn to catch the critters
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
[Re: Paul Dobbins]
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At this time I have no successor.
hmmmmm ... i have the want, will, desire and passion ... so i'll make ya a deal ... how bout a cal ripken jr rookie card and a couple semi rusty #1 long springs??? to sweeten the deal i'll even throw in a couple hava-a-heart cage traps that only need a lil tlc to get'em workin ... let me be your grasshopper lol so how bout it ??? Asa, i'll offer you the same, but the commute to up your way would be heck
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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There is a older lure maker on here that no longer makes his product. And his stuff was and is TOP OF THE LINE. I have caught hundreds of fox with is lures. I have asked him many times if he was interested in selling his formula's and he always says no. I too think that his lures will be lost. It's a real shame to see someone's life work disappear.
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
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I have one question for the lure-makers.
Where would we be if Sewell Newhouse or Frank Conibear had decided to take the secrets of their life's work to the grave?
Please, do not rob the next generation of trappers of the knowledge you have attained after decades of meticulous work.
"Luke, when gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be."
Don't pull a Yoda on us please.
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
[Re: Mike from OK]
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I think that lure formulators and respective successors are truely missing out if it is a laundry list and how to make it is what is being passed on. Parden me gentlemen, but in the scope of knowledge that can be passed on a list of ingredients and how and when to mix them is of little importance without the knowledge of how to derive at such a list of ingredients in the first place. If Paul, Asa, or Bob or a dozen others were to offer me their ingredient list and how to make them I would be excited to say the least. But in all fairness that is not what is needed in my opinion to be carried on. What in my opinion would be more valuable would be to learn what has not worked, what ilicits certan responses and why. I guess what I am trying to say is that it would be much more important to learn how to be a formulator then to learn a list of ingredients. Maybe a successor could carry on a certain product for nestalgic purposes, like a pet or favorite one in remembrabce of the teacher so to speak, but move the industry forward with a line developed with the knowledge gained of formulation. Would I like to know what dropped out of Asa's sandwich that became a secret ingredient of his muskrat lure... sure. Would I like to know what makes Backbreaker different then a long list of beaver lures...sure. Would I like to know what makes Peaches and Cream smell better then grandma's cooking...sure. But we would all be better off if I learned the how to of formulation instead. Because only in that manner can the student carry on once the teacher is no longer available for questions.
Paul R. Ellsworth
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I personally would like to leave my mark on trapping, what else would be a better way that making a lure that everyone would use?
Work is for people that don't know how to trap US Navy 83'-89'
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
[Re: GLEN]
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a story a little along the lines of "tradition".
a very well known maker of the catfish bait "Bee-Jay" made his product just a few miles from here for decades. it made him a multi-millionaire. he passed several years ago and one of his "family" took over the business. ran it into the ground and went "belly-up".
another individual bought the business, along with the old mans "recipe" with the deal. well, right off, he changed the packaging label, containter from glass to plastic, and reduced the amount from 16 ounces to 13 ounces. this was in his first months of producing a product that has been successful for over 40 years. IT AIN'T WORKIN'!! already, i've got customers complaining about it. they're wanting the old original glass jars of Bee-Jay, with the original labeling. i tell them that the business changed hands and this is what is available. my sales of this one product has dropped by over 75% in the first year.
IF IT AIN'T BROKE, don't fix it!!
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
[Re: Wade Lacey]
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I say that they deserve to take their secrets with them,you don,t spend a lifetime of working at something just to give it to someone and hope they won't ruin your good name.Even the best intentioned person couldn't make a bait consistantly,exactly,and perfectly the same as the one who made the recipe to start with. A saleable lure has to have consistancy,if you bought a great lure and then bought some more and it was different you wouldn't be happy. Hopefully we won't lose anybody too soon,but thats up to the man upstairs. There will be new lure makers that are even now making their mark and the cycle continues. But I do agree that it will be sad to lose the person behind the lures and their knowledge,support,expertise,friendship.
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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So from what I'm hearing. It's kinda like Gramma's Chocolate Cake, your wife can have the recipe, but it's never the same. lol.
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
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Ogorman said he'd give me his secret recipes.
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
[Re: LT GREY]
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Dana makes them and yea, i guess he did hand it over to her in what 84 or something?
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
[Re: CharlesKS]
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A question for all of you lure makers.
If all of you were given a formula; let's say it is Lenon's Super All Call for Fox. Would each of you be able to have a lure that smelled the same and have the fox react to it the same as Lenon's does?
Unless kids are brought into trapping; trapping dies of old age. Remember; Rush Limbaugh is always right.
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Re: Lure Makers Successor’s?
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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Just think of it this way for some of you..its not your typical industry that a brand-name company is willing to give up its market share and open up holes for upstarts to claim. Get out there and experiment. ---------- Paul I think many on this site would die if they ran out of Backbreaker and cant replace it. Sniffing is a horrible habit.
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