We will thrive, despite him.

.....but you will be penalized for doing well. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/29/Seven-new-taxes

That's assuming that they know what I'm doing....

I like your line of thinking Muddawg. Don't any of you think for a minute that Obama is going to get enough money from the rich to pay for all of his votes. There have never been enough wealthy people to do that and there never will be. That one leaves two people left: you and me!

I studied up on obamacare.

If your employees make an average salary less than $50,000, then you can get a tax CREDIT for the business of 50% of the premiums starting in 2014. This pretty well guarentees that many people will have salaries capped at this rate or less. A businessman can make out well.

However, I like the idea that my employees have unlimited upside potential and that both smart and hard work are rewarded. I believe that this creates a culture of exceptional employees. Creating the culture, is the primary role of a leader.

Remember, there are two ways to make money. Make more....or spend less. Capping salaries and increasing taxes is a receipe for a lower standard of living.

Dave, I've been doing some research too and I've found the following several times...

"Everyone must purchase some sort of health insurance by 2014. At companies with fewer than 50 workers, that responsibility falls on the employees themselves."

So, if the above is true, it looks like the healthcare bill wont be affecting too many WCO's.

Yup....you will not be required to offer it...if you have under 50 employees.

However, they will need to obtain insurance. It may very well be less expensive to offer through the business....taking into account the tax credit. So...there may be incentive for a small business to offer it.

I currently offer health insurance. Employees pay the premiums (including myself). I am going to keep it that way, and forgo the tax credit. The primary reason.....I do not want to destroy the culture.

Since we already pay for our employees health insurance ( Don't get excited, it has a high deductible ) you would think that we would be delighted that Obamacare is going to give us a tax credit. Unfortunately I know how government works. If we get a $500 tax credit, our federal taxes will go up $1000.

The person in the white house does not run you business, but he has an effect on your profit margin.

I love the high deductible plan....coupled with a hsa. Smart move, Paul....

That is quite true Dave. Whenever the guys have a really good month ( That would be all summer long ) they have us stick money into their HSA account. The nice thing about the HSA account is that the tax exempt money can be used for anything even vaguely medical. ( Probably stuff like toothpaste, aspirin, Q-tips, etc. )

I just read over the counter stuff got booted. But, another good point....you can use it for retirement. Great deduction too!

And this is from the man who kept telling us he's for the "middle class". He's all about the middle class. The middle class needs this and the middle class needs that. He's gonna help the middle class excel. He LOVES the middle class.

Well, where does he think the middle class starts? It seems to me with this, he's trying to keep us from ever achieving "Middle Class".

Incentives for capping salaries seems like a perfect plan for creating more UNDERclass people. Or dare I say, "Dependent" class. $50,000 and up is where the majority of our taxes come from. You don't have to go far below $50,000 before you start getting some tax credits. Drop down a little further and now you're out of the tax paying public! I've seen family incomes as much as $30,000 where the tax payers actually get back MORE than what they paid in!(earned income credits and such)

So, by giving the employer incentives and tax credits for keeping salaries down, you're insuring that a large group of people stay on the government dole. The more poor and lower class people getting free stuff from our government, the more voters they control.

Hence, the second term of Obama.

The one thing that I will never understand is the millionaires that vote Democrat. I know a bunch and they just don't fit the profile of what the democratic party now stands for.

What is it you don't understand about it, Paul?

sqs, only you would ask that question. Romney is the one being accused of helping the rich get richer. Obama is the champion of the welfare recipient. Now if you're a millionare union representative, I understand. If you're a millionaire lawyer, I mostly understand. If you're a gun shop owner, I would certainly understand. Like I said, none of these people fit the Obama profile. I can almost guarantee you that I will get socked a larger tax increase than they will, so it's not a patriotic thing. I am truly befuddled as to why anyone would want to elect anybody from either party that would make the stock market drop and the price of gasoline go up 17 cents a gallon the very next day!

lol...

No, I'm not the only one, just the one who asked first.

There are many millionaires who believe in a strong federal government and an even stronger social safety net and don't mind paying for it. It's about that simple. They believe this can be best accomplished in the Democratic party.

That way of thinking isn't for everyone, obviously, but it really isn't hard to understand.

I'm not fond of the Democrats. Never have been, but after being a registered Republican for thirty something years I've quit that party too.

As for why someone would want the stock market to drop? Because that's when they buy up everything they can.

As for the gas, I doubt a millionaire even cares what the price of gas is.

It's just a different philosophy Paul. No better or worse than mine or yours. Just different.

sqs, thanks for that explanation. I'm going to breakfast with some buddies and since all they talk about is the two Ps ( Packers and Politics ) I'll be able to add something to the conversation.

Paul and SGS you are not alone yet, this is the extreme. There is a consensus growing that not only should Obama not run our business's but now includes this great nation too. More reasonable petitions include End to the War On Coal, end the job killing policies of the EPA and require an economic impact analysis of new policies.

Apparently many citizens have problems with the State of Our Nation today. Some of them feel the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers are no longer being reflected by the federal government.

http://www.examiner.com/article/15-state...united-states-1

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions

15 States Are Gathering Signatures On The Whitehouse's Own Web Site To Peacefully Secede From The Union

Here is one of them:

Peacefully grant the State of Texas to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.
The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitio...rnment/BmdWCP8B
16,248 signatures it was 3,771 signatures as of 12:46 am Sunday

Florida has 4660 as of this moment and for the record I am NOT one of them. MI 2893, TN- 3201, SC-3001, CO-3538, OR-3075, NJ 2808, ND 2838, MT 3215, IN-3665, MS 3610, GA 3725, KY 3698, NC 4283, AL 4664 , LA 12, 960

The White House will respond to petitions submitted through We the People that comply with these Terms of Participation and reach the second signature threshold listed below. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/how-why/terms-participation

To cross the first threshold and be searchable within WhiteHouse.gov, a petition must reach 150 signatures within 30 days.

To cross the second threshold and require a response, a petition must reach 25,000 signatures within 30 days.

The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Throughout our history, Americans have used petitions to organize around issues they care about from ending slavery, to guaranteeing women's right to vote, to the civil rights movement.

Just in case any of you think that Robb is making this up; I just read that the white house will respond.
Now remember, you read it here first, but I think I see in the very near future where those of you that live in the hurricane states will be paying a very different premium for home insurance than those of us who live in relatively safe areas.

P.S. Robb, are you aware of the You Tube video called Angel Flight? I'm sure almost everyone is. Wisconsin is the last state to get anything and then we think we discovered it! Since I had breakfast with a bunch of veterans, one of them sent me this in an E-mail.