They just tell ya what you wanta hear at a meeting like that . There just testing them why then so they know how . There not making plans on doing it now because they can't get the funding . To get funding the % needs to be higher yet .

I wish I had known about this meeting I would have been there to hold the door open for them. and take my time telling them how F@##%$%^$# up they are. I fight for the right to do what I do.

You two are not helping your cause.

Well if you are to uneducated and don't have the knowledge to use a bat trap the right way. Because it might take you to long to set it up or you are to busy to check them early morning . Then just refer all your bat calls to me I'll make sure the job is done the right way .

And if this is not the case?

I haven't seen very much fresh bat sign yet this year dew . The way we had a fall last year seems they flew south more so then before . This cold late spring there late coming back . Something going on . Never had any calls on them warm winter nights ether . Seen few dropping today on a porch . I don't think I've seen a single turd on a roof but it has been raining a bit here . Maybe late summer things will pickup on them hard to tell . Coon seems to be the trouble maker this year . Ortonvilles coon population is growing daily seems . Last year every we're you looked there was bat sign not like that this year .

well I must have trapped them all off last fall so they never made it down to you .lol. As far as bat sign I have done a few job and I even had a few in January, were the bats found there way in to the living area of the house. But even at that yes bat calls are down this season. So far but then I have 3 others doing bat control in the county. but I think it"s because of the colder night. We were still getting frost still just last week. and a awful lot of rain at night.

Some training would be helpful, here.

Sgs,

I don't have the benefit of your name as you do mine, but I'll proceed anyway.

First, bat traps are not used to harvest bats for their pelts, they are a capture device not used by the folks on trap talk.

This is the most obvious way I knew I would be debated.

"Look at this guy he's anti trap!"

I mentioned that state and federal bat managers would be blown away if they knew bat trapping was being used instead of typical techniques our industry talks about with these groups.

The people I talked about getting on this issue are not those people, they are not govt contacts. They are private citizens who are serious about bat conservation.

I've seen in my lifetime people fight to use crossbows for hunting, ban other implements they felt shouldn't be legal due to ethics or sport etc....

The bat capture device being called "bat trap" is harmful to our industry when people are using it as a primary method.

The facts that no one has refuted include two major points.

1) The bat trap does not make the exclusion and seal out work being performed effective.

2) Bat traps are not needed to perform exclusion

What Dew said about me being the type to not support collarum is a great example to discuss.

Collarum was designed to be extremely target species (canine) specific.

Reduce non target catch, and be a humane capture device for wildlife and animal control agencies.

Uh oh SGS sounds like those folks are getting touchy feely, maybe they were trying to make footholds obsolete?

Nope, they were offering another tool that is needed.

The bat trap is not.

You talk about my arrogance but I see you must believe that control operators can't possibly learn from anyone else, as does dew, pesky, dannel and the others that think that bat working groups comprised of long time bat researchers who are why we know what we know about bats are not worth listening to.

Pesky is making statements about the Feds he says he knows are going to start gassing bats once rabies gets to where they need it for funding???

This is the camp you choose to be in?

As an American citizen I have every right to use my own mind and legal channels to pursue change any way I desire. You call me anti trap but folks on here know better, I am anti ignorance.

Plain and simple no argument has been made that supports the use of bat traps.

Not one, that isn't based on desire not need.

We as an industry need to look critically at what we do and know we can stand on solid ground with our techniques of the species we are entitled to manage.

Having worked for WS for 10 years before starting this company, being a feral hog expert including trapping, a coyote management specialist and having captured, radio collared and advocated to various groups the need to maintain traps for fur bearer species I don't need to think twice about who I am.

I have good friends that live off the land hunting and fishing, others that ate vegan or vegetarian, others that are anti trap anti hunt, I stand on my own with my own opinions and will pursue my needs accordingly.

Wildlife management is and has been my life more years than I can remember.

So I am "anti" SGS. Anti ignorance.

Pesky...logic says that if you lower your rates, business will increase. It is not the weather.

Seriously?

And I'm the guy you want banned SGS?

Wow! I've seen some lunacy but come on?

Less than 1/2 of 1% of bat tested in the wild come back rabies positive and a lot of effort has been put into that estimate across the country.

Factually more people end up getting the shots due to picking up a downed bat that isn't acting normal without gloves on, this is not about true rabies prevalence in these cases.

It is about walking into a hospital in mid winter flu season and reporting back 100% of people have the flu.

When you report 100% of bats tested came back rabies positive, you are reporting on sick and downed bats nearly always,
so pesky, please stop reporting on things you clearly have no grasp of.

And if you have a "horses mouth" govt. person you get info from, apparently you are hearing them wrong or they aren't worth listening to.

My goodness, this is a public forum right? Anyone see the damage in these statements being made about rabies and bat extermination?

SGS? Anyone????

1) The bat trap does not make the exclusion and seal out work being performed effective.

HD Wildlife you have used this as the 1 reason in a few posts. Please explain how a excluder tube is more effective than a trap?
OR were can I get a exculer tube to do the seal up work needed?

I have never sead that the trap is any better or worst then the tubes.I do use both the tubes and the trap to remove the bats.

Well let's just hope it doesn't come to that no one wishis bat rabbies to be on the rise .Every budy wishis bats no harm and living outside eating bugs and living happy normal lives . No one likes to see little girls getting rabbie shots after being bitten by bats testing positive . I have seen this and don't wish it on anybuddy . No parent or child should have to go threw something like that . It will not happen on my watch . Wildlife control is just that people come first bottom line . Your job my job his job is just that . The faster the job is done comes to your tools of your trade no one tool will do every job they all have there place at times . I don't use or have ever used or thought I needed to use a bat trap on the outside of a house. I do use them on the inside of homes for bats showing them selfs then going back up in the attic. I can't see any reason there should be some law saying I can't do that . These bats can then be tested and maybe this little girl doesn't need rabbie shots . The thought of a persons child having rabbies does damage to the whole family and will last a life time in a child . This bat being tested found negative removes that damage done and will be forgotten

Why not just put a screen over the fan to prevent entry...until your exclusion is effective? No need to trap indoors. More risk you you getting bitten and the bugger getting away inside. Plus, you need to spend more $ in gas to pick up the bat.

Because then you know he's went back not still down in the living area . I see now what the problem is people think people would just opp for bat trapping over doing the exclusion never though of that one . Be like trapping squirrel without repairing the holes . Never herd of anybuddy doing that . Have seen the bat board guys around town not sure how that's legal but they are the king of the land

Pesky...if solitary bats were living in attics, you might have a point. However, catching the bat (in your video) did not prove that there was not a bat still in the living quarters. You may have just caught his cousin.

Glue boards are legal here too. I would agree with you, there is no need for them.

Is there anyone else on here that agrees with me? If there is no need of glue boards for bats, you don't know much or have very many bats.

Paul are you saying you use them?

Just clarifying.