Got a 44 ft werner ladder id like to get rid of

When a house can't be bat proofed you can still seal the interior and separate people and bats, or walk a way, if you trap and drive 30 miles or less and release you arent going to beat the bats back to the house. So what did you do?

Amazing that bat researchers and biologists need to acquire special permits and licenses to mist net or harp trap, yet anyone can
buy a bat trap and just go to work and translocate.

This seems like an issue that needs more light brought to it so it can't be some dirty little secret.

Hope you are solid with the proper exclusion methods because I have no intention of dropping this issue.

Is this another nwcoa thread? Hd, that's his business model and some guy (you) from the interwebs is not going to change it.

Aaron,

I care about the resource nationally, the industry as well,
no need to drag associations into this as they didnt post it I did.

People can creat change from anywhere in the world and all it takes is
drive, focus and passion for the issue.

How would it be if traps sold in PA were to show up as the first White-Nose syndrome cases in
Northern lower Michigan?

Talk about ruining a resource and industry at the same time.

You don't have to support my view but don't for a second believe I
can't change something in another state.

Happens every day in this country.

I suppose you think you are the only one who cares HD?

How would it be if traps sold in PA were to show up as the first White-Nose syndrome cases in
Northern lower Michigan?
The traps haven't been used in 6 years,mabe since you are so smart,you can prove to me if white nose syndrome is in those traps,and more important,how long it can survive in a box without a host animal.Facts,not your best guess.
I have read down through some of your writings,and get a very good feel of your arrogance looking down your long nose at the little people you are supposedly trying to educate.Arrogence being the key word.
Hope you are solid with the proper exclusion methods because I have no intention of dropping this issue.
A fine example of arrogance,that you are better than the little people.I did several hundred bat jobs,and guarreented in a contract my exclusions for 3 years,had very few call backs,and honored my word.
Amazing that bat researchers and biologists need to acquire special permits and licenses to mist net or harp trap, yet anyone can
buy a bat trap and just go to work and translocate
Arrogence again.At the time it was legal in PA,no special permits needed.The customer loved it,and I loved it,as it worked very well.
This seems like an issue that needs more light brought to it so it can't be some dirty little secret.
Dirty little secret?,bring it on you arrogant sob.
Non bat photo
concession stand 127,Lincoln Financial Stadium,where the Philadelphia Eagles play.
They dont let any ol bumbling idiot in that stadium to catch a destructive raccoon.

Bats in WP township building

Caught the bats in this trap,after doing a sealing of the entire building.3 year guarantee ,and didnt get a call back.

Released the bats

Well I've never contemplated plastic surgery but maybe I should for my long nose.

Haven't degraded anyone with name calling so I guess currently I'd say the only arrogance I see
Is from the guy using defamatory phrases.

My skin is plenty thick and what I'm saying about bat traps
has been said by many with all those decades of experience with the
other options so I know I'm not just speaking for myself.

Never claimed anyone's exclusion didnt work just stated there are readily available
methods that don't require the use of the trap device.

It is irrelevant to me what a client loves if it isn't right or necessary to resolve the issue.

You should probably just thank me for helping you sell off your traps as this discussion
will no doubt make a sale quicker.

Arrogant and SOB and Long nosed all in one morning, can't imagine where this is heading
over the life of the thread.

I stand by what I said.

As do I, have a great weekend!

Please guys, I just can't handle another argument. ( Well maybe if whiskey goes on sale I could )

HD, if every one of us killed every bat that we encountered, I figure God would just replace them. ( He does in Wisconsin )

The Rest Of You, Keep in mind that people are more aware of what's acceptable ( Including your customers ) and that bat traps are fine if you do an exclusion very quickly after the catch. If your intent is to kill bats, I can almost guarantee that this will catch up to you in lost of business.

Paul,

I know it may seem like they are prolific, but one of the reasons the type of colony loss witnesses with WNS has been so devastating is because of the low birth rate. As you know most bats have a single pup and others twin. This isn't the kind of species that can take actions or incidents that raise potential mortality rates on top of natural factors.

If we were managing Norway rats or Coyote or some other highly reproductive species I would likely not debate this so hard.

Justin

I am aware Justin. It's just always been my experience that if we lose some species, it usually has nothing to do with man. We've gained at least twenty species in our part of Wisconsin and lost two. Non native pheasant and Hungarian partridge have dissappeared and weather was the killer. If I worried about everything that everybody did, I would go nuts. ( Well, nuttier than I already am )

I, for one, stand with Justin as an articulate, thoughtful and professional scientist (him, not me!)
The "I can do it if it's legal" attitude, especially in these WNS epidemic days, will only hurt the industry. I think that's what he's trying to tell us.

WNS is an excellent example of a tragic disease ( Especially if you happen to be a small brown bat ) that had nothing to do with man.

Paul,

Current science is that initial introduction was through people into the cave environment even if now it is likely being spread from bat to bat.

Very controversial, but just one of many diseases we as humans may enhance transmission of, thus decontamination protocols for anyone coming or going from caves and cave closures and rules.

Again, Justin is absolutely correct; all reports indicate that the infectious agent was transported from Europe (where WNS is endemic, but bats are resistant) to North America on cavers' clothing.

Sure, blame it on those darned spelunkers. The next thing you know they'll blame us for global warming, freezing and monotony.

Knowing and collaborating with lots of great cavers and folks that recreate study and maintain caves for all to enjoy I'd add that this introduction wasn't ever intentional, and these communities are raising funds and are dedicated to stopping the spread of this deadly syndrome. They follow decontamination protocols, assist bat researchers and epidemiologists and others fighting to save bats from local, regional and even countrywide extinction.

Well maybe I can't win the argument but at least I have some intelligent information that I never knew before. That's a lot better than I do with my other arguments.