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Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4370268
03/11/14 12:08 PM
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MAkes sense Boco I really tend to dislike resets and now I get how your using the blockers. I am sure there would be a little trial and error for someone doing when they haven't before but I can see where it will be helpful with otter as well

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Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4370340
03/11/14 12:50 PM
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Boco is that last picture a dam break??


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Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4370406
03/11/14 01:19 PM
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Yes Yukon,I use that set when the ice is coming on in Nov.No open water but not enough ice to walk on yet.I have set as many as 5 traps side by side in a set like that and take otter and beaver and the odd rat in one check.They are caught coming as well as going.

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Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4370459
03/11/14 01:41 PM
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pretty dang efficient Boco!


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Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4370486
03/11/14 01:54 PM
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One thing to remember,these type of sets are only worth making when you trap an area that has extended trap check laws.
In the lower 48 where you have to check traps every day these sets are hardly worth making.

Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4370624
03/11/14 02:56 PM
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How often do you have to check in Ont.?? Here it's 7-days for kill sets....5 for restraining traps.


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Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4370679
03/11/14 03:30 PM
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None in the North for either kill or restraint.
In the south I believe it is none for killing traps and daily for restraining traps.
Personally I would not leave a live animal in a trap more than a day.
It is kind of silly to have a trap check time on killing sets.
There is a statute that says it is an offense to let an animal spoil in a trap.

Last edited by Boco; 03/11/14 03:34 PM.
Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4370847
03/11/14 04:37 PM
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Boco do you have a pic of the stabiliser with trap set and ready to put in? Would save some pole cutting for sure.
Were do you get yours from?

Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4371492
03/11/14 08:41 PM
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Boco do you have a photo of the conibear on a holder. How it is attached.
I am wondering with using conibears such as bridged or duke, Because they are not as lethal as the Canadian accepted conibear, one would have more problems with them fighting the trap more before they drown and disrupting the other conbibear. Not sure they would work as close as yours.
I tried these similar methods you shared with me last year and had multiple doubles. I did however keep them more spread out. I had better luck with a second set beyond the first. I had to make sure to keep my distance or put a pole divider between the side by side ones.

Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4371605
03/11/14 09:10 PM
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I will take a pic of the trapstand and traps and the location of the blocking sticks.
I will be away for a week so I will post pic when I return home.
You can get away with weak traps under ice as the stands are stuck in the bottom and frozen at the top so the traps are solid.Same if you use tamarack poles.
SK trapper one of our council members with a welder made them up.They are the same as the commercial ones except they are a foot longer.
FT,once we cut the ice we determine the width of the run by feeling the side banks,as you can see,some are wide enough for 3 traps side by side,some are wide at the house and narrow down - those take two side by side and one out front where the entrance narrows,if the run is wide all the way out we set two or three close to the house and two out in front.The size and shape of the entrance run determines the configuration of the traps.
If you are targeting a small house(a pair) obviously you don't need 4 or 5 traps,two will do.

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Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4371627
03/11/14 09:17 PM
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if the sets are under ice we have no check limit and open water is 3 days here. i like your set up with the H stands




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Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4375366
03/13/14 05:50 PM
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good stuff boco!

Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4375578
03/13/14 07:01 PM
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You can get away with weak traps under ice as the stands are stuck in the bottom and frozen at the top so the traps are solid.Same if you use tamarack poles.

I had not thought of that. I use a single pole and when the trap fires the trap becomes loose on the pole and able to swing around. By securing both sides of the trap it would eliminate the problems I had with my one pole, (which I love to use.) method.

Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4376454
03/14/14 05:56 AM
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I have used similar methods since learning from Boco on this site a few seasons ago.

Tipi set ups tied together with used baling twine

A run on a very active house, no ice under the snow

Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4376459
03/14/14 06:02 AM
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7 traps set to cover the runs, you can see 6 of them, I had to reach out with my chisel to place them and push them in the mud, then they were all wired to a froze in pole.

Results 5 days later, 6 beaver and 1 log. Had 11 traps with, should have set them all

Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4376463
03/14/14 06:05 AM
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If I could get a 50-60 dollar average, I could retire early and trap. I did get a 54 dollar average at the earlier FHA auction, but all large or bigger beaver.

Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4376479
03/14/14 06:22 AM
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Well so much for early retirement, I just averaged 39 dollars on my nice winter beaver, mostly selects. Some didn't sell.
Averaged 54 on fall beaver and 39 on winter selects. Aaargh! Not putting any more beaver up!

Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4376566
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must be nice to not have to put up beaver...

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Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4396104
03/24/14 05:47 PM
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Hi Boco, did you happen to get a picture of your trap stands yet?

Re: Beaver under ice [Re: Boco] #4396179
03/24/14 06:27 PM
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Thanks for the reminder deerstand,I forgot about this thread.


I showed this with two traps only,but in real life I would set one or two more out in front of those two.
The block sticks should be positioned as shown to prevent one caught beaver from snapping two traps.When setting two more in front set far enough in front so caught beaver cannot fire trap in front or behind,leaving them working for the next beaver using the entrance run.You need block sticks when setting bodygrips close together,side by side.One trap is a belisle and one is an LDL.

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