Re: Neighbors conflict
[Re: warrior]
#5041472
05/08/15 10:41 PM
05/08/15 10:41 PM
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Joined: Jun 2012
Dudley NC
Muddawg
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trapper
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Dudley NC
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From a literal reading of our regs there is no choice in the matter if a coon or other RVS ends up in my trap it must be euthanized. That's us. Anything in the order carnivora must be euthanized. Just as well. The animals I go after are already a problem or I wouldn't be after them. I don't think anyone is served by simply relocating a problem. With that said, there are still many critters I catch and release. All the non venomous snakes I catch and possums come back to my house and are set free. Turtles and flying squirrels take a long ride and are turned loose where someone else wants them. If I catch domestics with no collar, they wind up at the animal shelter. Anything edible, such as beaver, nutria, gray squirrel, muskrat, and such as that, I'll not lie to you, it goes in my freezer eventually winding up on my supper table. Gray squirrel, coyote, coons and such, we have an abundance of them. What I take out will never be missed.
Muddawg
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Re: Neighbors conflict
[Re: Paul Winkelmann]
#5041804
05/09/15 10:55 AM
05/09/15 10:55 AM
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Joined: Dec 2006
St. Louis Co, Mo
BigBob
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trapper
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St. Louis Co, Mo
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I wish some of your state DNR agencies could explain how killing everything does anything other than keeping some softies from becoming your customers. FWIW, As explained to me: Missouri doesn't forbid translocating, but it's "Highly discouraged" because, A. It's screws up biodiversity by unnaturally mixing DNA around. B. Can introduce a disease into populations with no immunity. C. Can spread Rabies etc, for which there's no immunity. D. Removing a problem animal from one area to dump it in another so it becomes a problem for someone else. E. Could just come back, educated.
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Re: Neighbors conflict
[Re: Michigan Trappin]
#5041826
05/09/15 11:17 AM
05/09/15 11:17 AM
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Joined: Jun 2013
Florida
bjansma
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trapper
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Florida
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I euthanize 99% of what hits my truck for those reasons. Another good reason: the survivor rates of relocated animals, especially in winter.Studies vary but none of them are great.
Bob Jansma
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Re: Neighbors conflict
[Re: Michigan Trappin]
#5041894
05/09/15 12:06 PM
05/09/15 12:06 PM
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Joined: Jun 2012
Dudley NC
Muddawg
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trapper
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Dudley NC
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I should clarify my statements just a bit.
Non target animals are released on the property. It's the "Problem" animals that I'm called to remove that get euthanized. Even if I were to take an animal from inside the dwelling, I do have the choice of releasing it on the property so long as the property owner agrees. I usually try to discourage this by informing the client that there are no guarantees that it won't find another way in.
Say, I catch a coon in the attic. If the property owner doesn't want it euthanized then I can release it out in the yard. Which is cool, cause they'll call me back to come get him out of the attic again next week. But, let's say I'm trapping for a coyote that's eating baby goats. If I find a fox in one of my traps, I release it unharmed.
Generally speaking, they want the problem animal gone. Then is when my guarantee comes into play. The only guarantee I try to make is, if I haul the critter off, it will not be back.
Muddawg
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Re: Neighbors conflict
[Re: Michigan Trappin]
#5042460
05/09/15 10:41 PM
05/09/15 10:41 PM
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Joined: May 2014
Southwest Michigan
Michigan Trappin
OP
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OP
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Joined: May 2014
Southwest Michigan
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I'm amazed by what seems to be the "law" in each state, what the heck are animals different in each state, biologist different.
Here's what michigan law says about wildlife captured as nuisance animals. In a nut shell: Beavers ca not be relocated unless by special permit/permission by state
Raccoons can only be relocated in county they are captured in
Released animals must be released at least 10 miles from capture site
The property owner and the agent capturing animal should agree upon the fate of the animal
Contracts/agreements of wildlife removal do not have to be in writing
Wildlife must be released or euthanized within 24 hours
There is also a list of which animals the agent can capture and remove based on their judgement of situation
Other animals you need a biologist to issue a permit for
If trapping is allowed during fur season on property (out in the country) you can only trap animals that are in the curtilage (house, yard and out buildings)
Beaver are excluded in above rule in the southern half of the lower peninsula
Coyotes are to if the are doing or are about to do damage (this is anytime a coyote is breathing)
This is a short version of the latest regulations per the paperwork I have
But I have talked to several guys in michigan that treat some of the suggestions as law, not that they are breaking law they just choose for instance that ALL trapped animals must be destroyed. This is what some tell customers is law but it isn't.
There is also on one companies web site a statement that the LIVE TRAP BEAVER AND MUSKRAT UNDER WATER and relocate. That's a crock
Anyway that's what I know of regulations as of 3 months ago
Every day is a gift from GOD, don't waste it!!
If they have plenty of food, give them something interesting to smell
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Re: Neighbors conflict
[Re: Michigan Trappin]
#5042768
05/10/15 09:22 AM
05/10/15 09:22 AM
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Joined: Jan 2013
OH
Eric Arnold
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trapper
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OH
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Paul,
You need to stop giving away upcoming articles, lol.
When dealing with this issue remember that it is about managing a population in a state, it is not about managing the population in a single county/neighborhood nor is it about managing a single animal.
For management purposes, you need to look at multiple factors such as disease risk to like species, other species, pets, & humans. You also need to look at both biological and sociological carrying capacities, habitat requirements and availability, food sources, species behavior, cost and other factors.
Imagine that you have been hired to be the wildlife manager for a 10,000 acre property. Ask yourself how you would ensure that the clients goals are met. Now expand that situation into a 65,500 sq mile area (basically the size of Wisconsin). How would you approach a disease outbreak to control it? Would you make a general policy dictating that those vector species be euthanized, would you still allow relocation and the potential spread of the disease, would you instigate a preventative program, or would you do all of this as well as other things? Now ask how you will maintain biodiversity on this property. How will you control over population of certain species that are forcing others out, creating disease/human issue risks, or are creating economic/environmental issues.(Look at the problems Snow Geese have created for themselves).
Each property will have it's own unique goals and will then need to be managed independently of other properties. I'm not saying that everyone's got this right or wrong, just that you need to look at the big picture and not just a corner of the image.
Eric Arnold Publishing Editor W.C.T. Magazine Editor The Fur Taker Magazine
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