Since raccoon urine is not listed in either example sighted, then an opinion that it should be does not matter. Until its listed as a pesticide or repellent, the debate is a waste of time. I did mention it to my better half and she responded ( so there is already a coon with babies in the attic leaving urine and crap and you want to add more urine smell on the chance she might move? Not! ) I think most customers would feel the same.
Kurt Temple

I always thought that the reason the NWCOA insurance was more reasonable was because NWCOA members were more careful not to drop

cages off the roof and onto the customer's Lamborghini.

Yeah right, Kurt.

It applies due to the very broad definition of pesticide in FIFRA. The example demonstrates that it would apply to any type of urine used to repel.

Putting eviction fluid in an attic would certainly be a waste of time and product. Applying it to a tennis ball or something similar

and letting it down a dead end flue on a rope will usually have the desired effects. ( Warning: Always make sure you have your pest

control license in your pocket. You can never tell when someone from the Bureau of Urine Enforcement will be crawling up that ladder

after you )

As a licensed operator, it's up to you to ensure you are using a legal product. This is why you need to pressure manufacturer to register it.

The reason I said the debate here does not matter is each operator would need to check with his state regulator/ DNR that his license or permit is under to see what is acceptable, if they care. Don't care is a statement that you are willing to take the hit to yourself and your business if it backfires on you. I have no problem with that, since urine is used in trapping all the time I don't feel they would care, adding the small amount to an attic when its already there, can't see the problem.
I don't use it, but have no problem with others doing so. If I did I would not say so, there is an old farmers saying when dealing with stock killing animals SSS Shoot- shovel- shut-up I think that applies with some other topics as well that we have debated on this forum before.
Kurt Temple

I hear you. Get this....FIFRA is a federal law....so the states have to at least be as stringent. They can be more stringent (not less).

Also, you can use urine as a lure to attract critters. The law doesn't applyin this case!

You are so right Kurt! You do not want to be a beef cattle munching wolf and think you are protected by Federal law in northern

Wisconsin. The triple S is used a lot. And nobody cares. ( Okay, a half a dozen AR lunatics in Milwaukee who have never seen a wolf

in the wild, would probably cry their eyes out ) The facts, as I've been told, is not only do the Feds have to reimburse you for your

wolf killed steer, they also have to try and find the culprit and put it down. If you've already shot it, you are saving taxpayer's

dollars. I"m sure Justin will have words on this subject if he reads this.

In other words, if you remove the word "Eviction" and replace it so it reads " Happy Happy Raccoon lure" Or "Male raccoon Gland lure"... then your good too go....This subject has been around the block on Face Book...seemed like ALMOST everyone agreed to continue using Eviction Fluid or paste intended to get rid of coons as long as it was being sold for that purpose...

You could call it what you like....it is how it is used that determines if the law applies.

I really can't believe you guys don't understand. How does your state determine qualifications?

Dave..I didn't reply to go around the block with you at all...But, the thing is who said we didn't understand..its just a pretty lame law and hard to swallow,,,since this stuff has been around before you and I

Indeed...thanks.

Thank you

The thing is....flying under the radar is not a solution. This type of stuff will pile up. You have to force change. Change the law...change your methods...do something....if it matters to you.

(caution off topic, way off topic) - Wink, the last I knew (not really my ball of wax) the only one who ever paid for dead cattle or sheep for wolf related reintroduction or protection under anything was defenders. They were the ones at least who did so in the rocky mountain region.

Lots of things kill livestock, if we are honest, I ran sheep on a project with my better half for 2 summers and saw as many dead by their own 4 hoofs and small domesticated brains as were killed by the coyote packs we were studying (and we had to necropsy them to see cause of death, so no calling it dead by predator when really just plain died....)

I could see USFWS paying in certain recovery areas without much stretch, but only ones I remember ever doing so were that group and they required verification by folks (ie, we aren't paying for the group of cattle that ate the toxic weed and died en masse in your pasture).

(now back to the thread - though it would seem it has run its course mostly....)

Justin, at my age, I have to double check everything I say and write. Go to Livestock Depredation Payments in Wisconsin. Since 1985

we have paid houndsmen, deer ranchers, and livestock growers about $1,500,000.00. Did they have it coming? Probably not even half,

but now you know why I made the comment about Shoot, Shovel, and Shut-up. I bet you could buy a lot of wolves for a million and a

half.

Honestly ..I used the stuff like, only 2 or 3 times in over ten years..it did work well though....

WOW it just occurred to me that every predator man in the country that is charging for a job or just helping a friend is breaking laws and nwcoa code by applying fox and coyote urine. Wait Fur trappers would also fall into this as they get paid for the pelts so they too are commercial.

Ron.....seriously? They are not. This is because it is used as a lure...rather than a repellant.

Hey Jonesie, you're just going to have to hold it until you get home. People are definitely a repellant.