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Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth
[Re: Coonriver]
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 02/07/16 08:41 PM
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Pineywoods, I think it great that veteran collectors such as yourself can derive these theories as to the why, how, and when certain things happen in history and how it can alter the processes along the way. I think that is why there has been so much written about the history of the steel trap, but unfortunately a great deal of information has been lost or altered over time. I do find it a little odd that you pass negative feedback about the new trap collectors guide, on the premise of unclaimed information. Not to belittle your knowledge, but I would think that when a list of contributors such as: Parr,Andreski,Clark, Cords, Delavan, Dahms, Gipe, Harrison, Hamzy,Kelly,Langert, Lamontange, Lefebvre, Munro, Nohle, Precht, Stewart,and some other well known and respected collectors compile information and theories most of us are not going to argue with and treat it as theories and accept it as such not facts. Personally i think it is a great book I wouldn't say that I agree with everything as far as pricing goes but its the best I can find out there. Hats off to those fellows involved I can imagine they took some heat along the way I don't imagine all collectors can agree on values and Im sure they have heard about it.   Regards, 
 
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Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth
[Re: mushrat]
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 02/08/16 10:20 AM
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Pineywoods, I think it great that veteran collectors such as yourself can derive these theories as to the why, how, and when certain things happen in history and how it can alter the processes along the way. I think that is why there has been so much written about the history of the steel trap, but unfortunately a great deal of information has been lost or altered over time. I do find it a little odd that you pass negative feedback about the new trap collectors guide, on the premise of unclaimed information. Not to belittle your knowledge, but I would think that when a list of contributors such as: Parr,Andreski,Clark, Cords, Delavan, Dahms, Gipe, Harrison, Hamzy,Kelly,Langert, Lamontange, Lefebvre, Munro, Nohle, Precht, Stewart,and some other well known and respected collectors compile information and theories most of us are not going to argue with and treat it as theories and accept it as such not facts. Personally i think it is a great book I wouldn't say that I agree with everything as far as pricing goes but its the best I can find out there. Hats off to those fellows involved I can imagine they took some heat along the way I don't imagine all collectors can agree on values and Im sure they have heard about it.   Regards,  Dang, Mushrat! Where are you when the books by Robert Vance/Ed Hutzel, men with a combined trap collecting, trap anything, related knowledge of close to one hundred years, are being trashed?       
 
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Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth
[Re: Coonriver]
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 02/08/16 03:26 PM
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Don't grind the teeth. Remove entire Jaws and offer a trade for regular jaws. If no one else close to you, I have some reg. jaws and will trade. Wow, at first I though that you were talking about your personal teeth, than I realized your were talking about teeth on the trap.   pick65  
 
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Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth
[Re: peaver]
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 02/08/16 08:15 PM
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Peaver, its an underspring, but does it jump??? Does it say both Oneida Jump & Victor, or just Victor.  
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Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth
[Re: DiggerDale]
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 02/08/16 09:18 PM
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Surely, DiggerDale doesn't think that the O.C. and latter A.T.C. had workers hand stamping a #1 on a #4 jump pan to make a #14 jump for 70+ years. Also the #4 Newhouse with offset jaws go back to at least 1865. In 1887 they changed it from #4 with offset jaws to #14. IF any #14's left the factory with a hand stamped #1 it would have been that year. If so, the mold mark will be on the underside of the jaws close to the center and not on the leg of the jaws. It is highly unlikely that an A.T.C. 14 left the factory with the #1 hand stamped in.  
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Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth
[Re: Coonriver]
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 02/09/16 12:39 AM
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Pineywoods must not have read where I said ...
  "Doesn't explain the v on the pan but interesting history about Oneida Community" 
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Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth
[Re: Coonriver]
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 02/09/16 02:16 AM
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The Oneida Community, Ltd. expanded from game traps into mouse traps with the acquisition of the Animal Trap Company of Lititz, Pennsylvania, in 1906. Thereafter, the classic wooden snap traps for small rodents became Victors of the Oneida Community, Ltd. - See more at:  http://www.trapperpredatorcaller.com/art...h.jaRhfgfG.dpufI always thought ATC bought out Oneida  Community, but not according to this.  Hey coonriver, 5 years ago I bought a bunch of 14 Oneida Jump V for victor victory varmint viva traps with the teeth ground  off at a trappers rondy in  Fenner, NY for $5 each.  If they had the teeth they'd be worth what wiss miss said $15 to 25.  
 
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