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Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: fiftynine] #5408270 02/09/16 03:34 AM 02/09/16 03:34 AM
Joined: Feb 2016 texas P pineywoods trapper
pineywoods trapper P Joined: Feb 2016 texas	Am wondering if fiftynine lives on Fishook Road?

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5408353 02/09/16 08:59 AM 02/09/16 08:59 AM
Joined: Jan 2016 Northern Mn. peaver trapper
peaver trapper Joined: Jan 2016 Northern Mn.	yes piney the 41 is a jump trap inside a longspring...it is Identical to a regular jump trap.... Last edited by peaver; 02/09/16 09:21 AM.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5408356 02/09/16 09:00 AM 02/09/16 09:00 AM
Joined: Jan 2016 Northern Mn. peaver trapper
peaver trapper Joined: Jan 2016 Northern Mn.	single anyway

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: peaver] #5408422 02/09/16 10:06 AM 02/09/16 10:06 AM
Joined: Feb 2016 texas P pineywoods trapper
pineywoods trapper P Joined: Feb 2016 texas	pea, you need to look a little closer. It IS an underspring trap. It DOES NOT say jump on the pan. It CANNOT jump because it is riveted to the longspring trap. I do not see why you THINK it is a jump trap. Could you tell me WHY you think it is a jump trap?

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: pineywoods] #5408475 02/09/16 11:02 AM 02/09/16 11:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2014 North Cass Co. Minnesota DiggerDale trapper
DiggerDale trapper Joined: Jan 2014 North Cass Co. Minnesota	Originally Posted By: pineywoods Surely, DiggerDale doesn't think that the O.C. and latter A.T.C. had workers hand stamping a #1 on a #4 jump pan to make a #14 jump for 70+ years. Also the #4 Newhouse with offset jaws go back to at least 1865. In 1887 they changed it from #4 with offset jaws to #14. IF any #14's left the factory with a hand stamped #1 it would have been that year. If so, the mold mark will be on the underside of the jaws close to the center and not on the leg of the jaws. It is highly unlikely that an A.T.C. 14 left the factory with the #1 hand stamped in. I don't have much for 14 jumps anymore but I looked at one OC model and the #14 looked good. The only two ATC jumps I have both look like the #1 is kitty wampus. Five of five of my Newhouse ATC #14s look like the 1 was stamped separate from the 4. Seems like the more I learn the less I know....Dale

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: DiggerDale] #5408546 02/09/16 11:56 AM 02/09/16 11:56 AM
Joined: Feb 2016 texas P pineywoods trapper
pineywoods trapper P Joined: Feb 2016 texas	The #1 on the #14 IS stamped on a #4 pan. I don't understand this. They had thousands of traps per run of traps.It don't seem feasible to do that. The last #14 Newhouse has the #14 kitty wampus. The rest of the pans look OK.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: pineywoods] #5408645 02/09/16 01:24 PM 02/09/16 01:24 PM
Joined: May 2011 Huntingburg, In. No.4 trapper
No.4 trapper Joined: May 2011 Huntingburg, In.	Originally Posted By: pineywoods The #1 on the #14 IS stamped on a #4 pan. I don't understand this. They had thousands of traps per run of traps.It don't seem feasible to do that. The last #14 Newhouse has the #14 kitty wampus. The rest of the pans look OK. I have my doubts that the #1 is hand stamped. It's positioning is too consistant. Looks the same on my trap. Same distance from the V, and aligned with the 4. I believe that when making the die, they either allowed for the V punch-out that is in the pan when making the #1 or just added the #1 to an existing #4 die? A stamping with the 1 out of alignment with the 4 could disprove my theory, though, and real quick like. Edit to add: I took a closer, straight on look at mine, and it turns out that it's the one that I needed to see! The #1 is not in perfect alignment with the #4. That's what I get for thinking out loud ....

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: No.4] #5408688 02/09/16 01:56 PM 02/09/16 01:56 PM
Joined: Feb 2016 texas P pineywoods trapper
pineywoods trapper P Joined: Feb 2016 texas	I spent many years in Alaska, and there are LOTS of #14 jumps up there. There is no collector value to them, so i never paid any attention to the stamping, so i guess i shouldn't be discussing them. I was just going by logic. One thing for sure, on the #14 jump posted, the stamp started out as a #4. The #4 is centered on the V. If it had orig. been a #14, the #14 would have centered on the V. But i stick to my guns that it is not a VICTOR.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5409063 02/09/16 06:19 PM 02/09/16 06:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2016 Northern Mn. peaver trapper
peaver trapper Joined: Jan 2016 Northern Mn.	PINEY.....I think it is a jump trap because its the SAME thing as an underspring....its a type of trap....not an "action" of a trap......and it says onieda victor on the pan...and inner trap is IDENTICAL to the same size trap that "onieda" calls a jump and blake and lamb calls an underspring.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: peaver] #5409147 02/09/16 07:19 PM 02/09/16 07:19 PM
Joined: Feb 2016 texas P pineywoods trapper
pineywoods trapper P Joined: Feb 2016 texas	pea, you are sadly mistaken if you don't think the word Jump on an Oneida Jump means that it jumps. The base is also a spring, and when the trap is tripped, it jumps and gets a higher catch on the critter. I say again, the inside underspring trap on a #40 or #41 does not jump and the pan does not say that it jumps. The base of the inside trap is fastened to the base of the outside trap, therefore it cannot jump. Also i have a Blake underspring trap that has a cast base, therefore it cannot jump. All underspring traps do not jump.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: fiftynine] #5409175 02/09/16 07:39 PM 02/09/16 07:39 PM
Joined: Feb 2016 texas P pineywoods trapper
pineywoods trapper P Joined: Feb 2016 texas	I spent thirty five years in Alaska. Drove every road up there that i could get over in my two wheel drive PU. looking for traps from 1971 to 2004. (i didn't look for traps the first couple years) There is a road out of Wasilla called Fishhook Road. Since he uses fishhook, Alaska as an address, and he thinks it is weird for me to think maybe he lives on fishhook Road, then i think it is weird for him to think it is weird. Hope i didn't use weird too many times. Last edited by pineywoods; 02/09/16 08:00 PM.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5409182 02/09/16 07:42 PM 02/09/16 07:42 PM
Joined: May 2011 Huntingburg, In. No.4 trapper
No.4 trapper Joined: May 2011 Huntingburg, In.	What kind of traps did you like to look for, Pineywoods?

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: No.4] #5409193 02/09/16 07:53 PM 02/09/16 07:53 PM
Joined: Feb 2016 texas P pineywoods trapper
pineywoods trapper P Joined: Feb 2016 texas	Most anything rare. I have had a few pretty rare traps over the years. I have slowed down the last few years. I mostly look for Cast Iron mouse and rat traps from the 1800's and very early 1900's. I have collected axes for several years, but the last couple years i have been able to find some supper rare ones, so i will have to add axes to what i collect.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: pineywoods] #5409237 02/09/16 08:16 PM 02/09/16 08:16 PM
Joined: May 2011 Huntingburg, In. No.4 trapper
No.4 trapper Joined: May 2011 Huntingburg, In.	Originally Posted By: pineywoods Most anything rare. I have had a few pretty rare traps over the years. I have slowed down the last few years. I mostly look for Cast Iron mouse and rat traps from the 1800's and very early 1900's. I have collected axes for several years, but the last couple years i have been able to find some supper rare ones, so i will have to add axes to what i collect. If I had been up there looking for traps when you were, I would have been looking for bear and wolf traps. Just thought that you might have had the same Idea. I like old axes, but rarely run across any. Did find a small Plumb not too long ago. I've always hoped I'd find a trade axe with my metal detector, but it hasn't happened, yet. Thanks

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: No.4] #5409325 02/09/16 09:09 PM 02/09/16 09:09 PM
Joined: Feb 2016 texas P pineywoods trapper
pineywoods trapper P Joined: Feb 2016 texas	I did mostly look for bear traps the first few years. I found out that i could trade a common bear trap for small traps worth MUCH more, because of its size. One of the many swaps i made was a #5 ATC for a Campbell (3 1/2 size) trap. People that saw the swap thought i was crazy. Well the campbell is worth maybe five times the #5. Never turn down a trap because it is small. Also, i did look for wolf traps. I had about three dzs. #114 O.C's at one time. Last edited by pineywoods; 02/09/16 09:14 PM.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5409634 02/09/16 10:57 PM 02/09/16 10:57 PM
Joined: May 2011 Huntingburg, In. No.4 trapper
No.4 trapper Joined: May 2011 Huntingburg, In.	Interesting stuff, Pineywoods. Thanks for sharing. Three doz. #114 O.C.'s?? Have you seen what the #114 ATC's are selling for? Around four hundred is what I've been seeing. I'd like to see what a nice O.C. would fetch.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: No.4] #5409694 02/09/16 11:26 PM 02/09/16 11:26 PM
Joined: Feb 2016 texas P pineywoods trapper
pineywoods trapper P Joined: Feb 2016 texas	The #114 OC's are not listed very high in the new Trap collectors Guide. I saw them go for twice what they have them listed for six or so years ago.

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5410943 02/10/16 07:57 PM 02/10/16 07:57 PM
Joined: May 2011 Huntingburg, In. No.4 trapper
No.4 trapper Joined: May 2011 Huntingburg, In.	Pineywoods, you seem to be pretty knowledgeable about the Newhouse traps, and I'm hoping that you might be able to answer a question for me ... Is there a Canadian model #114? Thanks - No.4

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5410997 02/10/16 08:18 PM 02/10/16 08:18 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Missouri N Nhousecattrapper trapper
Nhousecattrapper trapper N Joined: Jul 2007 Missouri	Yes there is a #114 Canadian. Oc Pat Date, Made in Canada under the pan, square ring on the end of chain, no NY on the Pan or so very light it is virtually un-noticeable. "PURVEYOR OF FINE ANTIQUTIES and RARE TRAPS". Member... MTA/CFM/NTA/NRA/NATCA #0620

Re: Victor #4 Jump with teeth [Re: Coonriver] #5411123 02/10/16 09:11 PM 02/10/16 09:11 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 N.E. Pennsylvania T trappertom52 trapper
trappertom52 trapper T Joined: Dec 2012 N.E. Pennsylvania	Could you show a pic of the location of the made in Canada mark? Is it on the bottom of the pan or what? Thanks, Tom Let a man meet a bear robbed of her cubs rather than a fool and his folly. Proverbs 17:12

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