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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #5557198
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I read someplace, not sure where. That our DNR classifies a breeding pair as a pack. Not sure how much truth there is to that. But I wouldn't doubt it.

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Well that makes sense. Others can temporarily join that pair and then leave after a short time


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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #5557228
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And then there is the Denali pack, and, well, you know...................


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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #5557230
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #5557237
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Originally Posted By: handitrapper
If you were to use those numbers (866-897) less the 28 individuals. That would make those 222 est. packs @ 3.84 wolves per pack. I say that's BS. I had trailcam pics last year on bear baits in Forest Co. with as many as 7 in one single pic. Do multiple packs run together? Or are they not territorial?


I cut wolf tracks on a daily basis in the winter and it is rare that I can pick out more than 4 animals in each pack. I think the 3.84 average is a very good one.

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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #5557238
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I would agree with you Clark. Considering that a "pack" can be 2 animals and we are dealing with averages.


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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #5557295
06/19/16 11:07 PM
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Had three cross the road in front of my truck in Jackson County two years ago. You don't realize how big they really are till you see them in the wild. I've heard they(WDNR) had moved or killed off the pack there. I don't know if that true or not. But I hope so.

Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: RdFx] #5557515
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Originally Posted By: RdFx
Also note that 30 % of areas were not surveyed so count is flawed......


http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/wildlifehabitat/surveyblocks.html

With all the guys that complain about the DNR not having a good count on wolves, how does this happen?

http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/wildlifehabitat/volunteer.html


They also asked for trappers help in getting wolves collared.

http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/trap/documents/wolfcollaring.pdf

Guessing some areas are needed more than others. Maybe time to find out where?

Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #5557538
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Wolves are foreign to me, but have always intrigued me. Is there anywhere in the lower 48 where you can legally trap/hunt? I've always considered trying to get one.


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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #5557565
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Handi the average pack size in the state is 3 dog. I think that you are correct in the bredding pair claed as a pack. I know that is a few areas in the northern forests and douglas county have some bigger packs. I heard one south of Ashland was 12 strong.

Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #5558433
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Not sure about NR trapping, but I know some states in lower 48 still have a season Murse. WI allowed NR when our season was open.

Back to this Wisconsin data. Everything is set on this goal of 350 wolves in the state. Is that really the right number? I mean, after all, we have been severely underestimating the number of wolves on the landscape. We likely had way more than 350 with minimal issues and they were far less distributed back then. Keeping a little higher population has some significant advantages. Where have I gone wrong?


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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #5558447
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From what I was told. The goal of 350 wolves was set for a minimum. There was no maximum amount. So there could potentially be a thousand plus. And that is a number that I feel is more realistic as to where we currently are.

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Let's start from here and work our way out...
http://www.co.marathon.wi.us/Portals/0/D...1007_Packet.pdf


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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: WadeRyan] #5558450
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Originally Posted By: Murse1986
Wolves are foreign to me, but have always intrigued me. Is there anywhere in the lower 48 where you can legally trap/hunt? I've always considered trying to get one.


There is an organization in Idaho that will pay you 500 dollars towards expenses that are incurred for every wolf that is shot or trapped. Wolves shot during big game season don't count because they figure you will shoot them anyway.

A wolf tag is only $30, I think you can get 5 tags a year. Hunting license is $150 or so.

You have take a wolf trapping course and a nr trapping license I believe is $350.


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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #5558456
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That's too much info to read. If the goal is or was 350, then we're nearly double that with the numbers that the DNR admits to. I'm pretty sure that most of us believe that count is quite low. If talk to sportsman that live in the northern half of the state, they're see wolves on a regular basis. Just go deer hunting in those counties north of 64. In the 90's, it normal to see 30 or more deer on opening weekend. Now would be lucky to even see one or two. At least where I hunted In Forest Co. That's why I quit hunting deer there. Hard on the local economy too.
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #5558462
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handitrapper, up by Hayward Wi.. deer hunting is a joke unless you have food plots... first week of deer hunting in the Winter area, i checked a bunch of hunting camps and no deer were hanging....took four days before any bucks were entered in one local pub. People with food plots did okay but still had to wait long time before anything showed up. I guess wolves got to eat also...LOL... Burp !


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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #5558468
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"There is an organization in Idaho that will pay you 500 dollars towards expenses that are incurred for every wolf that is shot or trapped. Wolves shot during big game season don't count because they figure you will shoot them anyway. "

I'm not sure that is still in effect.

Murse,you can hunt and trap wolves i MT and ID.You need to take a class,to trap.

Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #5558474
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I hear ya Lee. That's why my hunting buddies & I stay home to hunt deer now.

Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: RdFx] #5558475
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Originally Posted By: RdFx
handitrapper, up by Hayward Wi.. deer hunting is a joke unless you have food plots... first week of deer hunting in the Winter area, i checked a bunch of hunting camps and no deer were hanging....took four days before any bucks were entered in one local pub. People with food plots did okay but still had to wait long time before anything showed up. I guess wolves got to eat also...LOL... Burp !


Wait, wait, wait Lee. Wolves prevented from going near the food plots?

Why do so many Wisconsites want to try to treat a symptom instead of the problem. So many want to blame wolves, but doesn't your example highlight the real problem?

Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #5558509
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MarshRAT; So are you saying that wolves aren't the major reason for the deer herd reduction? If not, then what? CWD? Harsh winters? Over Harvest? DNR management?

Although all the above can contribute. I VOTE WOLVES!!

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