Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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06/21/16 10:49 AM
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MarshRAT; So are you saying that wolves aren't the major reason for the deer herd reduction? If not, then what? CWD? Harsh winters? Over Harvest? DNR management?
Although all the above can contribute. I VOTE WOLVES!! Exactly. Unless you live in the northern forest you will have a difficult time comprehending the effect wolves have on the deer population up here.
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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06/21/16 11:45 AM
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"There is an organization in Idaho that will pay you 500 dollars towards expenses that are incurred for every wolf that is shot or trapped. Wolves shot during big game season don't count because they figure you will shoot them anyway. "
I'm not sure that is still in effect.
Murse,you can hunt and trap wolves i MT and ID.You need to take a class,to trap. Foundation for wildlife management it's called. I just looked it up, says there still active.
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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06/21/16 11:48 AM
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MarshRAT; So are you saying that wolves aren't the major reason for the deer herd reduction? If not, then what? Habitat is the short answer. I would argue that for most species, this is the case. Wasn't but a short time ago, our northern deer population was high. Too high in many places. This has had a negative impact on the overall habitat. Over browsing causes serious long term damage. Add in many of our northern forests are maturing. This leaves vast segments of the northern part of the state as really poor habitat for deer. We used to have a farm that we shot ag deer on. You would see a line of a hundred deer coming to the hay field at night. Now you are lucky to see 10 and yet the deer are still starving in the winter. Even on relatively easy winters in ag land. They changed the habitat and it will take years for it to recover. One could argue the wolves are are a blessing here. Our northern healthy adult deer are surviving based on that study done by the DNR. Where they struggle is coming out of winter. The guys adjusting the habitat and also putting in food plots have figured this out. Why are their results so different than the rest? Interestingly enough, I was told that one of the reasons that the wolf tracking count has gotten better is because they are doing more to track these locations around private land that have improved the habitat. The wolves are not leaving those herds of deer that have taken up residency there, yet their deer hunting is getting better even with an exploding wolf population. How does one explain that?
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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06/21/16 12:02 PM
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MarshRAT; So are you saying that wolves aren't the major reason for the deer herd reduction? If not, then what? Habitat is the short answer. I would argue that for most species, this is the case. Wasn't but a short time ago, our northern deer population was high. Too high in many places. This has had a negative impact on the overall habitat. Over browsing causes serious long term damage. Add in many of our northern forests are maturing. This leaves vast segments of the northern part of the state as really poor habitat for deer. We used to have a farm that we shot ag deer on. You would see a line of a hundred deer coming to the hay field at night. Now you are lucky to see 10 and yet the deer are still starving in the winter. Even on relatively easy winters in ag land. They changed the habitat and it will take years for it to recover. One could argue the wolves are are a blessing here. Our northern healthy adult deer are surviving based on that study done by the DNR. Where they struggle is coming out of winter. The guys adjusting the habitat and also putting in food plots have figured this out. Why are their results so different than the rest? Interestingly enough, I was told that one of the reasons that the wolf tracking count has gotten better is because they are doing more to track these locations around private land that have improved the habitat. The wolves are not leaving those herds of deer that have taken up residency there, yet their deer hunting is getting better even with an exploding wolf population. How does one explain that? One would explain that the same way you wrote that, with a bunch of generalizations, hearsay ,and self proclaimed "facts" written in such a way as to lend credence to your story. Not one fact, not one link to a fact.
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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06/21/16 12:22 PM
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Ditto on what white17 mentioned. So many variables with land, food, predators, all make up an ecosystem that is changing as time moves on. This is something wildlife and land managers have a uphill battle predicting what is happening in the future and trying to keep stable animal population and land ecosystems.
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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06/21/16 12:44 PM
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Pick a point Diggerman and we can explore the "logic". See if it holds any water or is only hot air. It wouldn't be the first time I was just full of hot air.
That said, I think White's post above is the same thought process that made me think we needed to reexamine the goal of 350 or less wolves in the state. I really think that goal is outdated. As much as our current population of 850-900 wolves is completely off the mark.
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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06/21/16 02:20 PM
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Guessing there is no issue with the deer over browsing having long term impacts? Here is a study on it. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378112711007900I know it was done across the big river but I am guessing it has some truth buried in it.
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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06/21/16 02:45 PM
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20 years ago, I went to an open forum involving the MN DNR and the public. At that time the DNR estimated the number of wolves in MN to be around 3300. That was nearly double what they considered a sustainable population. Since that time, they say the number of wolves have dropped to around 3000??? Except for a couple of years, wolves have been protected, but their numbers have declined by 300 in 20 years? In the words of Gomer Pyle, "We may be dumb, but we ain't stupid!"
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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06/21/16 05:00 PM
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Not saying we don't need to reduce the population of wolves. Quite the opposite. Just saying that the drop from 50% of acres to less than 30% of acres now 40 years old or less is a pretty significant change across the landscape. Until 2014, we had seen a steady decline in number of acres less than 20 years old--where you get your most gain.
As far as elk, most saw the issues coming. Personally, I think we can get the elk to flourish without going to 350 wolves in the state. But at present levels, they are nothing more than an expensive snack for the wolves. Even I am not sure why they thought they could drop in a prey species into the heart of a predators turf and think the prey species would have the upper hand at first.
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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06/21/16 05:58 PM
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Pick a point Diggerman and we can explore the "logic". See if it holds any water or is only hot air. It wouldn't be the first time I was just full of hot air.
That said, I think White's post above is the same thought process that made me think we needed to reexamine the goal of 350 or less wolves in the state. I really think that goal is outdated. As much as our current population of 850-900 wolves is completely off the mark. Hers a couple of points , the forests did not all mature in the last five years, however about a 1000 wolves did. Now I would like to believe that all they eat is sick deer and mice and they will get all get along with my dogs, but? I am not in love with deer, we have too dam many in southern Wisconsin but I have been witness to a decimation of the deer herd in the Clam lake area and the Elk population that has not increased in 5 years, The wolves have got a recipe for elk veal. If you were to(try) trap Fisher, Otter or hunt Bobcat you will get tired of tripping over wolf tracks looking for sign. That is my "logic".
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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06/21/16 06:21 PM
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Wolves are foreign to me, but have always intrigued me. Is there anywhere in the lower 48 where you can legally trap/hunt? I've always considered trying to get one. There is an organization in Idaho that will pay you 500 dollars towards expenses that are incurred for every wolf that is shot or trapped. Wolves shot during big game season don't count because they figure you will shoot them anyway. A wolf tag is only $30, I think you can get 5 tags a year. Hunting license is $150 or so. You have take a wolf trapping course and a nr trapping license I believe is $350. Interesting. Thanks. I might have to research it a bit.
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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06/21/16 07:32 PM
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They're way over original management goals. KISS
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