Re: The Great Northern New York Trap Thread 2017-2018
[Re: SwampFox]
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10/29/17 05:54 AM
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Walleyed...thank you for your post and sharing your rat trapline with us. I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT! It brings back a LOT of great water trapping memories for me. In MT as a kid and in TN as a young adult. I really admire what you said about how you deal with other trappers concerning your stakes without a trap. My hat is off to you sir! PLEASE keep us posted and PLEASE add some photos, if you can? Thanks again.
Happy Trails and God Bless! Cary Good Morning Swamp Fox, Can't add photos as No photo bucket and And computer won't allow me to use other methods. I can e-mail them to someone else to post but I can't do it myself. w
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Re: The Great Northern New York Trap Thread 2017-2018
[Re: walleyed]
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10/29/17 08:40 AM
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Rick Otts
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The Only Mention In The Law on The Subject Matter Reads: "You May Not Set Or Stake A Trap Prior to 7:00AM On Opening Day".
Pre-Staking is Not Specifically Mentioned.
We have a Guy who races around the marsh At 7:01AM on opening Day jamming stakes in The marsh bottom with a trap attached but not yet set.
He Typically covers hugh amounts of territory tying up trap sites before returning at his leisure to set the trap and complete the set.
He contends that the Stake & UNSET TRAP he positions after 7:01AM lays claim to the trap site.
I don't agree with him and although I haven't ever challenged him on it, I contend that until he actually sets the trap, I believe He has no claim of a legally set trap and therefore no claim to the site.
This same character, Ironically, claims that Pre-staking is Illegal and Un-ethical.
Go Figure.
My Personal Reasoning for pre-staking is at 7:01AM, I want to SET TRAPS just as fast and efficiently as possible and I contend as Long as I don't have an Expectation of a Claim to a Trap Site, Then It Is Legal and there is nothing wrong with It.
Prestaking is Pretty much widespread practice around here and I lost out on a lot of trapping sites in the past by Not Practicing It so I figured if you can't beat them, join them
In fact, every trapper who finds my Pre-stake has a much easier time locating & setting the pre-staked site.
I have had lots of stakes of mine used by other trappers, or thrown into the cattails.
It's a gamble, and you are taking a chance that it will be turned against you, but It pays Off big time if you can run back through and set traps at prestaked locations once the 7;01AM season opens but before the sun has fully risen during that half hour of Pre-dawn darkness.
The same Guy who started setting at my pre-stakes has prestaked before me in the past using subtle but none the less visable sticks to mark den entrances.
I use Orange painted 36" to 48" road grade stakes and If Somebody Starts setting at My Pre-stake, I have never said One Word to them or tried to verbalize ownership of a site.
Like It Or Not, We face stiff competition for trap sites on Public ground and Until DEC & Encon Police addresses It with a Regulation, It's going to continue to happen, and I'm not going to be the one without a muskrat in my Canoe while the other guy has a Boatload because he prestaked a few den holes in the dark.
Many If Not Most Fisher trappers around here leave their cubbies on site year-round every season, and Then Pre-bait & Lure weeks before the opener all over Tughill Plateau.
It's The same Thing as prestaking a muskrat den, but you don't hear any one cater-walling about It.
Lots of Preseason work goes into putting up a good catch including digging dirtholes, setting cable stakes, all with speed and efficiency on opening day in mind.
Prestaking a muskrat den is no different.
AL, I believe you are well within the law by leaving fired traps in the field while taking a break from trapping and you need not be checking an unset trap.
w I don't think I could deal with that kind of dealings going on on my trapline too many guys and if someone touched one of my stakes I would be waiting for that guy when he returned.This is why I won't indulge in that kind of trapping good luck!
Rick Otts
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Re: The Great Northern New York Trap Thread 2017-2018
[Re: walleyed]
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10/29/17 09:19 AM
10/29/17 09:19 AM
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it reminds me of opening day of mink back when they were worth good money.i almost miss that opening day bridge stakin competition.ALMOST.set 150 mink traps opening day and never saw another minker all season last year.gonna add more to that if its the same this year.
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Re: The Great Northern New York Trap Thread 2017-2018
[Re: walleyed]
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10/30/17 06:39 AM
10/30/17 06:39 AM
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hope the wind isn't as bad up there as it is here this morning,be safe.
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Re: The Great Northern New York Trap Thread 2017-2018
[Re: walleyed]
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10/30/17 02:25 PM
10/30/17 02:25 PM
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Time to switch gears wally and put up some coon.
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Re: The Great Northern New York Trap Thread 2017-2018
[Re: Fisher Man]
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10/30/17 05:54 PM
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Wind & Waves Were The Order Of The Day Today. It Was Sunny For A Short While But Now It's Raining Again and The Cold & Rain Pushed Me Off Tonight's Deer Watch Early. Lots Of Deer Will Be Swimming Ashore From The Marsh Come Sundown To Escape THe High Water. Talked To Two Kids Who Pulled A Double On Does That Had Just Waded In From The Cattails. Whacked Them Right Where I Was Planning To Go While I Was Off Doing Laundry !! Gave Them A Double Thumbs Up. w
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Re: The Great Northern New York Trap Thread 2017-2018
[Re: walleyed]
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10/30/17 07:26 PM
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Good to see your thread on whacking rats again this year Bob. You need a pic now and then for effect....;-) If you want I'll PM you my email and when I can I'll see if I can get a couple up for you.
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Re: The Great Northern New York Trap Thread 2017-2018
[Re: trappermac NY]
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10/30/17 07:31 PM
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Good to see your thread on whacking rats again this year Bob. You need a pic now and then for effect....;-) If you want I'll PM you my email and when I can I'll see if I can get a couple up for you. Thanks Mac, Got Another Trapper Working On It, But If He doesn't, I'll Pm You Some Pics. w
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Re: The Great Northern New York Trap Thread 2017-2018
[Re: Lugnut]
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10/31/17 10:22 AM
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Lugnut and i were talking about you being on your knees for 8 hours in that canoe.hats off to you and good luck on your adventures. Yep walleyed, your famous enough to have been a topic of discussion as PCR and I walked along the Osweyo River casting for, of all things, walleye and discussing things in general. If your ears were ringing last Monday (10-23-17), that would be why. Keep the updates coming, I really enjoy them.
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Re: The Great Northern New York Trap Thread 2017-2018
[Re: Lugnut]
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10/31/17 10:32 AM
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Youse Guyz Are Way Too Weird, And Creepy/Funny Lookin' !! Kinda Like Steve Bucemi's Character In That Minnesota Movie Cult Classic: FARGO w
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Re: The Great Northern New York Trap Thread 2017-2018
[Re: walleyed]
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10/31/17 10:38 AM
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sure doesn't look like that now.
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Re: The Great Northern New York Trap Thread 2017-2018
[Re: pcr2]
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10/31/17 11:04 AM
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sure doesn't look like that now. Yeah, I imagine it's raging with all the rain you guys had up there.
Eh...wot?
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Re: The Great Northern New York Trap Thread 2017-2018
[Re: walleyed]
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10/31/17 11:15 AM
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Youse Guyz Are Way Too Weird, And Creepy/Funny Lookin' !! Kinda Like Steve Bucemi's Character In That Minnesota Movie Cult Classic: FARGO w I sort of see it... I love that movie! LOL
Eh...wot?
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Re: The Great Northern New York Trap Thread 2017-2018
[Re: pcr2]
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10/31/17 01:39 PM
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can't believe you'd pick on your 2 biggest fans although i do resemble that comment.. I'm Grumpy From Being Denied Access To Lakeview Marsh Due To High Water, Wind, Waves, And Cold. I've Got To Do Something Constructive To Occupy My Down Time. It's Getting Ready To Snow/Freeze Here And I'll Be Froze/Locked Out !!! w
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Re: The Great Northern New York Trap Thread 2017-2018
[Re: walleyed]
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11/02/17 08:27 AM
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The Creeks And Ponds Of Lakeview Marsh By Yesterday Morning Had Dropped Well Below Their Upper Banks And Were Only A Day Or Two Away From Being Trappable. But Yesterday Afternoon It Started To Rain Again In Earnest and It's Pouring Hard This Morning. The Rain Gauge This Morning At Belleville, N.Y. Announced That 9/10ths Of An Inch Had Fallen Yesterday Afternoon And Last Night Sending The Local Streams Nearly Over Their Banks & Muddy Once Again. Things Aren't Looking Good For walleyed's Timely Return To The Marsh Any Time Soon. Stay Tuned. walleyed
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