Re: Why do we approve these fees?
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+I don't think your going to hear as much complaining from the silent sport users as many here feel they will do. Many already support financially many conservation and outdoor organizations and clubs etc. What is strange to me is why legislators and agencies have not sought more to tap into that resource. Maybe they don't want them to have much of a voice and one way to limit their voice is to not ask for financial support.
Bryce I'm one of those silent users. I bike and canoe. As a cyclist, we would love to pay fees for the very reason Bryce mentions. Most of us are begging the government to take our money.
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Re: Why do we approve these fees?
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What am I going to do if I'm a half mile away eating lunch with my companions? So now I'm going to have to load my stuff up and pull it with me or else buy a license because someone else thinks it's only 16 dollars? But wait! I have three of these things. 3 ? Well hey big spender! As Finn said I firmly believe this state has people on the payroll who's only job is to cook up more taxes. Osky I think I should have done a better job of explaining what I have. I have two of the otter flip overs and just bought a hub pop up. I'm thinking you inferred I had three of the wheeled castle type houses. I'm just a poor pipeliner lol. Actually I don't want anything to do with a wheeled house. You couldn't hardly give me one and if I won one, I'd use it for camping. It would never see the ice.
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Re: Why do we approve these fees?
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Most of us are begging the government to take our money.
Well, I'll be danged. I've never heard of the government turning away free money. Send your checks, I'm sure voluntarism would get your own money better spent than mandating everyone else fork over cash, too.
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Re: Why do we approve these fees?
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Most of us are begging the government to take our money.
Well, I'll be danged. I've never heard of the government turning away free money. Send your checks, I'm sure voluntarism would get your own money better spent than mandating everyone else fork over cash, too. x2
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Re: Why do we approve these fees?
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Most of us are begging the government to take our money.
Well, I'll be danged. I've never heard of the government turning away free money. Send your checks, I'm sure voluntarism would get your own money better spent than mandating everyone else fork over cash, too. Lol but thats what the powers that be are afraid of.
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Re: Why do we approve these fees?
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+I don't think your going to hear as much complaining from the silent sport users as many here feel they will do. Many already support financially many conservation and outdoor organizations and clubs etc. What is strange to me is why legislators and agencies have not sought more to tap into that resource. Maybe they don't want them to have much of a voice and one way to limit their voice is to not ask for financial support. Bryce This is exactly why I don't want those nonconsumptive users to pay fees. While I hate paying increased license fees as much as anyone, it is what gives us our voice. If we weren't a revenue source, the powers that be would listen even less. Taxing the nonconsumptive users will be the final nail in the coffin for our voices being heard.
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Re: Why do we approve these fees?
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Spot on! State natural resource management is not going away. We can have fish and wildlife management financed by dedicated funds generated from hunting, fishing and trapping licenses, or we can broaden the funding to general funds and have the bird watching, tree hugging, granola crunchers, with an equal voice in game and fish management. My preference is that hunters, trappers and anglers continue calling the shots.
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Re: Why do we approve these fees?
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What's your point? A house like that is borderline retarded, they would catch more fish sitting on a bucket or running and gunning with a snowmobile and an otter flip over. For people who build or rent houses like that, the fishing is secondary. It's more about sitting around, bsing, drinking beer and if a fish happens to swim by it's a bonus.
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Re: Why do we approve these fees?
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I don't know what other state averages are but in Maine, sportsmen take/harvest about ten percent of our big game population year in/year out.
One out of ten bear, one out of ten deer, one out of ten moose. I had the opportunity to point that out in a Letter to the Editor in one of our states larger newspapers.
That letter was in response to a nonconsumptive user (anti-hunter) who was complaining about how our F&G catered to outdoorsmen. I think it helped put our consumption in a clearer light. I'm in the woods year round and I don't see these nonconsumptive users. They seem to stick to KOA and state parks.
I pay plenty of fees. I'm good with it. It's a great and noble thing that you love paying fees. Nothing is stoping you from paying all that your heart desires. Heck send $16 a week if you believe you are getting your money's worth. Form a group of other voluntarists and pool your money for lobbyists if you believe your money will be better spent to influence the divvying up of our natural resources. However, don't feel that your campaign of making everyone else pay is noble. There is very rarely anything virtuous in force.
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Re: Why do we approve these fees?
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I don't know what other state averages are but in Maine, sportsmen take/harvest about ten percent of our big game population year in/year out.
One out of ten bear, one out of ten deer, one out of ten moose. I had the opportunity to point that out in a Letter to the Editor in one of our states larger newspapers.
That letter was in response to a nonconsumptive user (anti-hunter) who was complaining about how our F&G catered to outdoorsmen. I think it helped put our consumption in a clearer light. I'm in the woods year round and I don't see these nonconsumptive users. They seem to stick to KOA and state parks.
I pay plenty of fees. I'm good with it. It's a great and noble thing that you love paying fees. Nothing is stoping you from paying all that your heart desires. Heck send $16 a week if you believe you are getting your money's worth. Form a group of other voluntarists and pool your money for lobbyists if you believe your money will be better spent to influence the divvying up of our natural resources. However, don't feel that your campaign of making everyone else pay is noble. There is very rarely anything virtuous in force. Nothing virtuous in force? Do me a favor and tell my ex wife's attorney that. Osky
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Re: Why do we approve these fees?
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It's a great and noble thing that you love paying fees. Nothing is stoping you from paying all that your heart desires. Heck send $16 a week if you believe you are getting your money's worth. Form a group of other voluntarists and pool your money for lobbyists if you believe your money will be better spent to influence the divvying up of our natural resources. However, don't feel that your campaign of making everyone else pay is noble. There is very rarely anything virtuous in force. You mind pointing out to me where I mentioned I love paying fees? I don't want the dollars paying wardens coming out of the general fund. As mentioned above, that gives the nonconsumptives (antis) more say in how the resource is used. And no one is forcing me to pay a thing, I do it by choice. There's law enforcement to be paid and they don't make enough. Satisfied? Hope so.
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Re: Why do we approve these fees?
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So if we don't want others to help fund wildlife and conservation work and research then we need to pony up more, not less unless we want those resources totally not managed, which may change the landscape considerably for many consumptive users. I feel it is better to have other users contribute some skin in the game plus they learn more about managing a resource by being a part of that instead of just letting the demographic changes taking place determine the outcomes over time.
Bryce Change the first couple of "we"s into "I"s and erase the feeling statement while adding that you promote volantary funding of programs you find useful and we would be in total agreement.
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Re: Why do we approve these fees?
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If the bureaucratic governing bodies would spend more time managing the resource and not people it might be an easier sell to ask for more funding.
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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