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Re: H E Goldberg [Re: wissmiss] #7743559
12/14/22 01:57 PM
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One more piece in the puzzle of the end of an era. Someday the war in Ukraine and Russia will end, and China will at some point stop all these Covid lockdowns. When Copenhagen finally gets rid of the many millions of mink in their freezers there could be a resurgence (hopefully) another boom in fur prices! Anyway, I posted this to inject some optimism.

Re: H E Goldberg [Re: wissmiss] #7743601
12/14/22 03:01 PM
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I remember Norm Goldberg showing up at my cabin in March to buy marten. It took several hours to go through the hides. He asked if I had any "hold overs" from the previous year because he didn't want "stale goods" I told him to just toss those aside as he came to them. He just glared at me laugh Finally around midnight the full moon came up giving enough light on the river for a take off. Norm was still down on his knees shuffling skins and practically crying because I was holding out for about 40 cents per hide more. I think I had about 160 marten.

He finally gave in just so he could get out of there.

Another time I was playing 4 handed cribbage with Norm and two old Lithuanians. I can't tell that whole story because the language employed wouldn't get past the censor. Suffice to say.........Hitler's name came up and offense was taken all around but Norm "pegged " the holes any way.


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Re: H E Goldberg [Re: wissmiss] #7743602
12/14/22 03:07 PM
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Not sure, but I think there was a Goldberg buying in the UP back in the 50s and 60s?


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Re: H E Goldberg [Re: 8117 Steve R] #7743635
12/14/22 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 8117 Steve R
Not sure, but I think there was a Goldberg buying in the UP back in the 50s and 60s?

Irwin had a rule. He didn't buy any fur out of other sections. He strictly bought fur from the northwest and Alaska.


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Re: H E Goldberg [Re: wissmiss] #7743647
12/14/22 04:15 PM
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Those were the days; in many different days.
I feel very sorry for young folks who will never know all of the adventure, freedoms and opportunities that we had back then.
I'm referring to the times up until about the early 80's. It's hard to believe that those times were nearly half a century ago.

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Re: H E Goldberg [Re: wissmiss] #7743682
12/14/22 05:17 PM
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My Mom was raised in the 40s and 50s allowed to run free in the Wisconsin woods...so I had a very Supportive mom


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Re: H E Goldberg [Re: beaverpeeler] #7743685
12/14/22 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Originally Posted by 8117 Steve R
Not sure, but I think there was a Goldberg buying in the UP back in the 50s and 60s?

Irwin had a rule. He didn't buy any fur out of other sections. He strictly bought fur from the northwest and Alaska.


There was also a Goldberg that bought fur out of Helena, Montana. I think he was Irwin’s uncle or cousin or something. I’ve got a price list of his from December 1940. Beaver #1 XL dark brown $32.50. Coyotes heavy pale $9.50. Green cow hides 8 cents per pound. Horse tail hair 45 cents a pound.


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Re: H E Goldberg [Re: wy.wolfer] #7743710
12/14/22 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
One more piece in the puzzle of the end of an era. Someday the war in Ukraine and Russia will end, and China will at some point stop all these Covid lockdowns. When Copenhagen finally gets rid of the many millions of mink in their freezers there could be a resurgence (hopefully) another boom in fur prices! Anyway, I posted this to inject some optimism.


We need it right now.

Re: H E Goldberg [Re: wissmiss] #7743756
12/14/22 06:38 PM
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Good stuff.


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Re: H E Goldberg [Re: wissmiss] #7743775
12/14/22 07:11 PM
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I may have mentioned this before, but Goldberg always paid me more on average for beaver than I received at the Seattle Fur Exchange auction. To this day I don't know how he could pay more than I could get at an auction attended by a hundred or so international buyers.


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Re: H E Goldberg [Re: wissmiss] #7743842
12/14/22 08:30 PM
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Great memories here.

Re: H E Goldberg [Re: waggler] #7743857
12/14/22 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by waggler
I may have mentioned this before, but Goldberg always paid me more on average for beaver than I received at the Seattle Fur Exchange auction. To this day I don't know how he could pay more than I could get at an auction attended by a hundred or so international buyers.


Probably because he was making it up on some other trapper’s fur. Most every buyer from the 70s and 80s knew who the “important”trappers were and paid them accordingly. Those “important” trappers would spread the word about the good prices Goldberg was paying, which meant more fur coming to his door.

And it wasn’t just you. I know any number of trappers that got preferential treatment from buyers because of who they were.


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Re: H E Goldberg [Re: wissmiss] #7743942
12/14/22 10:15 PM
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I recall selling a bunch of coastal cats to him when I was just a kid, the bottom had fell out of the market, but he was still buying when a bunch of the other buyers had closed their doors. He had me help pack the hides back into his cold storage after he bought them and he had tons of cats hanging there. He told me he had five years worth of cats in cold storage at the time waiting for the market to come back up, he said he was selling on the lower priced ones he was buying then but was holding on to the older ones he had paid high prices for because he had the storage and wasn't selling them at a loss. He paid pretty good on beaver and otter at times also.

Like the majority of furbuyers, you better know what you had, because if he knew you didn't know what your fur was worth he would lowball you. But he was THE big buyer in the Pacific Northwest that everybody compared the other buyers prices to. Kind of like Groenwold for you easterners today, if someone sold their furs to a buyer, everyone commented on whether the price they got was better or worse than Goldberg would have given them.

I'll tell a story on a buyer of his that we used to sell furs to. He eventually went out on his own, but at the time of this story he was buying for Goldberg. I was probably seven or eight at the time this happened. Dick would look through your furs and always pick out one or two and say, "if they were all just like these." And offer you a high price for those couple furs, and buy the rest at a much reduced price. Of course he was figuring an average in his head, but the trappers/hunters would leave saying, "he gave me X dollars for two cats!" My dad had a bunch of cats (30-40) and he had Dick come to the house and look through them, sure enough there were a couple that, "if they were all just like these". Dad sold him the couple high dollar cats and kept the rest. He sent my mom to his place later with those same cats (Dick didn't know she was his wife), and sure enough there were a couple of good ones in there again. He sent those cats with my grandpa, and with a friend, all told Dick looked those same cats over four times, and every time he found a couple of "if they were all like these" cats in there. Dad kept selling him those couple high dollar ones and holding the rest, and finally sent the rest up to Goldberg himself. Who bought the leftovers for about what the average would have been the first time Dad showed them to Dick if he would have sold all of them to him.

Re: H E Goldberg [Re: wissmiss] #7744004
12/14/22 11:19 PM
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bearcat, I idon't have the typing skills to tell all the Dick Stewart stories I have. LOL

I will tell a short one though, Jack Rogers who trapped out of Corvallis, Oregon used to primarily sell his fur to Jerry (the other Goldberg buyer that came south). One time Jerry couldn't come down so Dick went to Jack's place to buy his nutria collection. Jack had them in bins according to grade and size and he was used to Jerry just counting them up and not questioning the size or grade. So Dick starts throwing them out on the floor and measuring them and throwing into little piles. Jack just gathered them up put them back in the bins and told Dick to take a hike. Dick never did get another chance to buy from Jack. Jack in telling me the story did a fairly good imitation of Dick's stuttering and trying to get back in good graces.


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Re: H E Goldberg [Re: wissmiss] #7744070
12/15/22 01:10 AM
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^^^^^
What the heck was Jerry's last name? it's driving me crazy.
I'm pretty sure Dick is still in the business; at least he was about three years ago.

Jerry Day?? or something like that.

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Re: H E Goldberg [Re: wissmiss] #7744081
12/15/22 01:23 AM
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Jerry Campbell.

As far as Dick goes he was just buying antler up until a couple of years ago. I haven't seen him at an OTC sale for several years now.

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