I was wondering if anyone is having trouble with the new Duke #2 square jaw 4 coil traps with missing coyotes and/or pull outs? Or am I just extremely unlucky with them?

I think your just unlucky. I have caught a fair amount of coyotes In my Duke #2s. Haven't had a pull out yet. I even took the second set of springs off them since they were to hard for me to set.

How many pull out and misted coyotes have you had.

Only 2 pull outs. I've caught 10 or 12, but for every caught, I've probably missed 2 or 3. I've never had this problem before. It just seems to be with these traps.

So when your saying missed does that mean the trap is sprung and just setting In the bed?

I'm on the fence about getting some of these traps. They look good but I keep hearing about the clean out not being big enough. This is only my second year of trapping and being on this site but I have figured out that some people, not talking about you mud/steel, on here are just plain full of beans. When they talk about issues with this trap I wonder how much trash/clumps of dirt they leave on there set or there pan tension. I wish I knew I want to get three or four dozen. I don't want to get a few and try them I want to get more traps in the ground on a limited budget.

My first year was 17 yotes, 2 skunks and 1 badger. Second year, this year, was 36 yotes, 2 skunks and 1 badger. Maybe I'm getting to greedy but I want a bigger line right now I only have 53 traps.

I use them and like them. Yes there is no debris gap between the jaws. Is This a problem? In my opinion no, I always sift my dirt as I'm covering my trap and bedding It so I'm not leaving anything at the set that may clog the trap.

Beav, how do they compare to the old Vic 2 sj high lever? That's what they remind me of.

New guys have so many choices these days, we grew up in simpler times haha.

Is there room to open up the debris gap?

The angle on the jaws Is much more acute then the old SJ vic. Good positive lock up on this new SJ Duke.

I asked Bill Duke about the reason they didn't incorporate a debris gap. And He said they thought It would weaken the jaw strength. Other traps have a debris gap so I'm not sure.
That's one reason I'm against offset jawed traps. A 1/4 Inch offset can turn In to a 1/2 offset pretty easy.

When I say 'missed' I mean they're sprung and laying outside the bed on the end of the chain.

Any fur In them? What kind of tracks If any? Some times critters will roll on a trap and then you have to think about deer. Lots of reasons for empty sprung traps.

This is the first year I've used them and they've been really good to me. Mine don't have the factor pans. I've got bigger pans which I really like. I had one pull out, which was due to frozen ground and my trap stalled, I'm sure.

I have 2 dozen. Great trap for the money. Mine have a debris space. Laminated them and added mid chain swivel. I would but another dozen offset, though my preference is for a be #2 dogless.

By the way, I also replaced the pans with # 3 bridgers

I've used them this year the ones that caught coyotes them traps are trashed now switched over to using them for bobcats only and have still had issues when the cat can get leverage they'll pull out

WE caught some 30+Lb coyotes In the study In #2 Dukes never had a problem with them being Trashed.
In fact I caught more then a few In them over the last 2 years and other then having to straighten a dog or 2 They are still preforming just fine.

I caught 7 coyotes with this trap and all I had to do was straighten out the dog every once in awhile

My issue with them being trashed is now there offset because the jaws have bent from the coyotes springs pop off with every coyote catch I have lost 7 cats this yr to them not performing well the cats were caught tore the whole set up and magically they git out no blood on the trap and the tracks in the snow don't lie I will be ridding myself of them and switching to all no BS

Wow every coyote and every cat. That's a run of bad luck for sure.