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Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Lugnut] #6159659
02/16/18 02:03 PM
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I think Trump is on the money with this.

Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Lugnut] #6159705
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I am not sure blaming mental issues as the real problem. Yes a normal thinking person does not do such a act as this.

But I think the deterition of our society and a lot of the up bringing some kids have now a days leaves them detached and depressed. Ever since the slogan the schools starting using on no kid will be left behind seems more kids have been left behind.

Families are not what they use to be on raising kids with values and I believe our education system is failing as well. It needs to be recognized as some kids just don't have the capabilities to learn what's being taught. And I have personally even seen the teachers don't know how to teach the material.

When a kid feels left out whether at home or in school they feel beaten inside and they don't see anything as worth living for.

Yes I suppose that could be a mental issue but maybe it's just their situation that drives them to this extreme. The young man for sure needs punished for his actions but maybe we should look more into helping these kids before they reach the point of carrying out such acts.

I strongly feel our government needs to take a more serious look on why these young kids are doing this rather than always taking the easy way out on blaming gun control laws being to lenient.

Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Lugnut] #6159709
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Never heard of any school protected by any type of armed person being shot up have you?


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Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Lugnut] #6159726
02/16/18 03:42 PM
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Quote:
It is not enough to simply take actions that make us feel like we are making a difference, we must actually make that difference.


This is the line in Trump's speech that stood out to me. Gun control is one of those "feel good" type things that will do nothing to fix the problem. Ban a type of gun, then everyone can pat themselves on the back thinking they made a difference, until the next shooting, when they'll start looking for something else to ban.

To an extent, I think even tackling mental health is mostly a feel good action. It couldn't hurt to have better access to help for these kids though.

But I honestly think, that as far as school shootings go... the solution isn't that hard to figure out. Make all the doors only open from the inside out. At the main door, you go into a foyer, where you poke a button, and someone from the office comes to let you in. Once they ascertain who you are, and why you're there, they'll open the inner door, at which point you walk through a metal detector. I truly believe this would prevent at least 95% of school shootings.

Even if small school districts couldn't afford a metal detector, a locked door policy would go a long way in preventing things like this. But really there is no excuse for every school to not have one metal detector. They could probably raise the funds for it through a gofundme campaign, fcol.

This is what makes me so mad about this massacre... it should have never happened. He had no reason to be in that school, yet apparently he just walked in through an unlocked door.

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Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Lugnut] #6159727
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Our schools have locked doors, found out the hard way. blush

My daughter called one day she forgot something and asked if i could run it up and leave it at the office. Yea, no problem.

I went to the three doors i knew of and they were all locked. I found out later you had to ring the secretary and she would leave you in if you had a good reason.

Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Lugnut] #6159733
02/16/18 03:54 PM
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My school in a sleepy little farm town in western NY in the 1990s had it so you had to be buzzed in. It blows my mind that in this day and age, all schools don't.


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Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Lugnut] #6159751
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Locking up the school wont work.They'll just shoot them when they line up to get in or when they all come out.Or just shoot the door open.

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Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Lugnut] #6159753
02/16/18 04:29 PM
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"A review of the mass school shootings list confirms that most K-12 school shootings have occurred at public institutions. As of 2017, private K-12 academic institutes have been, for the most part, spared from large-scale mass shootings."


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Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Lugnut] #6159760
02/16/18 04:41 PM
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Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Lugnut] #6159765
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Tho shall not kill. Let’s get God back in schools. Teach the kids what is right and wrong. Throw the PC crap out the window.


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Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Lugnut] #6159770
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These school shootings remind me of the movie groundhogs day. We have a school shooting, the press goes berserk for a day or two arguing mainly just gun control and then after a couple days they move right back to our corrupt govt until the next shooting. It seems to me like they don’t even want to address a solution to actually stop school shootings. I guess everyone just wants to play the school shooting lottery... the odds of if happening at our school are really slim.

The school in my community sent out an email to the community that they are taking action to defend school shootings. It consists of locking the doors during school hours, you have to use an intercom and identify yourself before they let you in. In my opinion it’s useless, big deal if the big glass doors are locked. It took this shooter 3 minutes to kill 17 people and wound even more, it wouldn’t be hard at all to walk up shoot through the door and go crazy.

There is only one solution to school shootings and that is armed security at every school. I don’t care what programs need to be cut to be able to afford this but innocent kids in the United States need to have protection from being gunned down at school. I don’t care if they get rid of football, basketball, band, or whatever. Make the schools safe and go from there!!

Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Law Dog] #6159773
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Originally Posted By: Law Dog
It seems they could of hired a school recourse Office but they did not make that happen? Cowards pick schools because the victims are harmless they need to change that!


Agreed. It's time to really enact school security instead of trying to make more laws that have absolutely no effect on these types of things.

We will always have the second amendment.....so there will always be guns. Even if the libtards outlawed ALL guns today, it would take generations to get them off the street anyhow, so enacting more laws does absolutely nothing (but makes some buffoon feel warm and fuzzy).

Armed guards (real ones with combat experience) are a must in schools now. Every school.... Period.

But the liberal schools with never go for it without almost a mutiny from the parents.

Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: yotetrapper30] #6159774
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ALL schools around here do. Camera and you have to buzz in, state your name and reason for visit.

Originally Posted By: yotetrapper30
My school in a sleepy little farm town in western NY in the 1990s had it so you had to be buzzed in. It blows my mind that in this day and age, all schools don't.


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Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Lugnut] #6159777
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From what I heard the kid was depressed and heard "voices". If this is true then there is medication that would have helped this kid live a normal life.


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Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Lugnut] #6159782
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Instead of banning high capacity magazines it's time to ban high capacity indoctrination centers.

Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: FlyinFinn] #6159801
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Instead of banning high capacity magazines it's time to ban high capacity indoctrination centers.


These are where they develop their social skills as opposed to those demented home schooled children.


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Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Lugnut] #6159814
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All these shooters have been on meds, psychotropic meds, I haven't ever seen a toxicology report so that is hearsay at best - BUT if it is true then when are we going to start discussing WHY we have our kids on these medications???????????

I have worked with folks on Zanaxs(sp?) supposedly an anti depressant. These people are the worst to deal with, they are moody at best, to discipline them is even worse they cant take it and stay upset about it and are even more moody????? take an employee not on these meds I can discipline them and they are fine, might be butt hurt for a little bit but they move on.

If these people are on these meds then they are mentally unstable and have sought treatment? I dunno? what do they do for someone mentally unstable? do they take all their guns away the first time they seek treatment for depression or whatnot? what is the line drawn.

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Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Teallbrook] #6159854
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Originally Posted By: Teallbrook
From what I heard the kid was depressed and heard "voices". If this is true then there is medication that would have helped this kid live a normal life.


He was getting treatment and then quit showing up a month ago.


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Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: Lugnut] #6159877
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Have all superintendents and principles take a 20% pay cut and you would have most of the money to pay an armed guard. They're over paid anyway.LOL

Re: President Trump Blames Mental Illness Not Guns [Re: corky] #6159897
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From what I heard the kid was depressed and heard "voices". If this is true then there is medication that would have helped this kid live a normal life.


He was getting treatment and then quit showing up a month ago.



That would make sense.


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