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#6186750 - 03/13/18 06:39 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
Getting There Offline
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Google National Coalition to Ban Handguns. Know you know why there is a separation between Church and State. Sorry off subject!!
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#6186985 - 03/13/18 10:13 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: Getting There]
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Originally Posted By: Getting There
Google National Coalition to Ban Handguns. Know you know why there is a separation between Church and State. Sorry off subject!!


I wouldn't say that is OT. It pays to know who your enemies are!
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#6187080 - 03/14/18 04:49 AM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: Lugnut]
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Originally Posted By: Lugnut
Originally Posted By: danny clifton
There are a lot more than two who can see the NRA for what it is. That is why at least half their "what your supposed to think and send us money" letters talk about gun owners who refuse to join.



There are more than three-hundred-million gun owners in America. Five million are members of the NRA. There are a lot of freeloaders who have come up with a lot of reasons not to support the number one defender of your 2A rights.

If any of you can show be a better alternative I'll support it in a heartbeat.


300 million owners? Cut that in half and you'd be closer. Still a lot of freeloaders though

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#6187086 - 03/14/18 05:06 AM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
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I was a card carrying dues paying member for a lot of years. Bought their tales of how great the NRA was also. Then like Monica Lewinski they decided to play with Slick Willie Clinton. I wouldn't take Monica to a drive in movie either.
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#6187091 - 03/14/18 05:10 AM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
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FWIW I used to buy a lot of lot of licenses from the Colorado Division of Wildlife also. Hunting, trapping fishing. Then they refused to support trapping when it came time to vote. that vote was very close. I believe they would have made a difference. Haven't bought a license since.
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#6187113 - 03/14/18 06:01 AM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: Steven 49er]
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Originally Posted By: Lugnut
Originally Posted By: danny clifton
There are a lot more than two who can see the NRA for what it is. That is why at least half their "what your supposed to think and send us money" letters talk about gun owners who refuse to join.



There are more than three-hundred-million gun owners in America. Five million are members of the NRA. There are a lot of freeloaders who have come up with a lot of reasons not to support the number one defender of your 2A rights.

If any of you can show be a better alternative I'll support it in a heartbeat.


Originally Posted By: Steven 49er
300 million owners? Cut that in half and you'd be closer. Still a lot of freeloaders though


I got that number from the Pew Research Center .

"There are by various estimates anywhere from 270 million to 310 million guns in the United States" I thought it said gun owners, I added a word in there, my mistake.

I did some more research and it's harder than I thought it would be to get a definitive number on gun ownership. Best I could come up with was roughly 250,000,000 legal adults 18 and over in the US as of 2016 and about 30% of them say they own guns. That equals about 75,000,000 gun owners or about a quarter what I said.

I wonder what percentage of those belongs to a pro-gun group?
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#6187613 - 03/14/18 03:55 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
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Not near enough. Sure is a lot of sorry excuses out there.
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#6187713 - 03/14/18 06:06 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
danny clifton Offline
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Two things really bother me.

#1 is Gun owners who say things like background checks or semi bans or full auto bans, or only be allowed with permission of some government employee, those things are fine, so long as my firearm is legal or so long as I am allowed to be armed.

#2 is people who refuse to vote or refuse to educate their self before they vote. Basing their choice on a tv ad or 3.
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#6187768 - 03/14/18 06:49 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
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I think background checks are fine.....full auto is fine as is currently regulated.

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#6187794 - 03/14/18 07:15 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: FlyinFinn]
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
Originally Posted By: Rat Masterson
On the flip side if the NRA had say 100 million members, they would not have to compromise.

That may be true, but their history would still be a 500 pound gorilla in the room.



OK FF, you want to bring up history, just where would gun owners be today at this point in history without any NRA ?? Think of all the legislation that has been introduced at the federal, and state level, and the different types of restrictions, and bans that have been suggested at all levels of gun ownership, look at all the whole picture. Think about where you might be as a gun owner today without the NRA, and that image in a gun owner mind should be enough to compel any gun owner to join the NRA.

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#6187806 - 03/14/18 07:24 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
Marty Offline
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yup.

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#6187810 - 03/14/18 07:29 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: danny clifton]
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
Two things really bother me.

#1 is Gun owners who say things like background checks or semi bans or full auto bans, or only be allowed with permission of some government employee, those things are fine, so long as my firearm is legal or so long as I am allowed to be armed.

#2 is people who refuse to vote or refuse to educate their self before they vote. Basing their choice on a tv ad or 3.


I agree 100%.
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#6187814 - 03/14/18 07:30 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: ringtailtrapper]
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If he answers you at all Ringtail, it will be a dodge of the question, an artful one, but a dodge nonetheless.
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#6187824 - 03/14/18 07:38 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
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It wasn't the NRA that stopped those things. It was fear of election day fallout. NRA doesn't have enough members to make politicians nervous. They are good at raising money though. Politicians give them lip service to get some of it. The more in the news they are the more donations they get.

Anti gun people like those who support background checks, no mail order without paying a dealer, no full auto without permission of some anonymous bureaucrat, and all the other infringements of our natural rights, like to have a scape goat to blame when their leaders tell them the world would be safer if we could just have more laws in place.


Edited by danny clifton (03/14/18 07:40 PM)
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#6187856 - 03/14/18 08:12 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
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The degradation and watering down, by compromise, of the second amendment is only slowed by organizations that rely upon compromise to wheedle favor with scumbag politicians who take advantage of the trust given them by prostituting the Constitution.
The Constitution, though flawed, is an excellent guide to limit government. To me, of all that it contains, the 2nd amendment needs the least amount of wheedle money and bluffery. Ultimately, it will be degraded enough that we won't have weapons or we use our weapons to reset a tyrannical government back to what the constitution limits it to. An amendment that is far more perverted, twisted and in need of help is the 4th amendment. It has been trampled upon and it has no group of blowhards to send money 'for it's defense'. Our government has outright, unequivocally told us that it reads our every keystroke and records our every phone call. America shrugged it's collective shoulders, elected the same party that was in control when the spying began and even now cares little.
So, in closing, to answer where we would be without the NRA; I have no idea. We may have used our arms to reset our government back to being limited by the constitution before I was even born.


Edited by FlyinFinn (03/14/18 08:17 PM)

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#6188224 - 03/15/18 09:04 AM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
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Registered: 08/05/15
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Past December our warden caught a guy without orange, with a loaded rifle, after shooting hours, trespassing. He'd had a previous license revocation for the same thing, and multiple other citations over the years. He has a terrible reputation among a lot of hunters in the area for trespassing, night hunting, etc. Demanded and got a hearing, but was convicted despite all of the twisting and turning he did. "Never saw anyone try to muddy the water more or better than this guy," the warden told me. I am going to nickname this guy Flyin Finn because of the mental gymnastics and acrobatics on display here.
We The People...stand united, or fall separately.
Or maybe Finn is starting his own national gun rights organization?

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#6188230 - 03/15/18 09:12 AM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: danny clifton]
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
It wasn't the NRA that stopped those things. It was fear of election day fallout. NRA doesn't have enough members to make politicians nervous. They are good at raising money though. Politicians give them lip service to get some of it. The more in the news they are the more donations they get.

Anti gun people like those who support background checks, no mail order without paying a dealer, no full auto without permission of some anonymous bureaucrat, and all the other infringements of our natural rights, like to have a scape goat to blame when their leaders tell them the world would be safer if we could just have more laws in place.

Danny, don't you think it appears like you are pulling these statements out of your sleeve? Credibility may not matter to some people. There is not a single political activist or elected official or pollster who would agree with you that the NRA is ineffective. Most of them hate the NRA because they are effective, because they punch way above their weight class. In fact the whole Parkland shooting outcome is all about trying to destroy the NRA, because it is correctly seen as the most effective defender of 2nd Amendment rights. The NRA gives away a pittance, a tiny eensy weensy fraction of the money that the anti gun groups give away in elections and marches and "education." Labor unions (which are allied with just one political party) alone annually give away about ten times what the NRA has donated over the past twenty years. There is no comparison about money. Where the NRA shines is exactly where you say they do not make a difference, and that is in local and state elections. Sometimes in national elections. But if it makes you feel superior to those of us carrying your weight, then carry on...

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#6188240 - 03/15/18 09:20 AM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
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I am unsure of why you feel the need to sully my good name simply because you disagree with my opinion PAlltheway. Someone asked me a question, I answered it the best I could. I've said it several times, if you don't mind compromise - join the NRA. I won't think less of you, or compare you to a poacher because of your position. My interpretation of the second amendment is more freedom oriented than that group is aiming for.

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#6188246 - 03/15/18 09:24 AM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
rpmartin Offline
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FlyinFinn and all the other freeloaders, maybe the NRA wouldn't compromise if all the gun owners would stand up and be counted instead of coming up with pathetic excuses.
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#6188249 - 03/15/18 09:29 AM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
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They are not forced to compromise. Compromise is one of their core values and I believe if everyone who ever held a rifle sent $, they would be likely to still compromise. Past performance is quite often used as an indicator of future behavior. it is refreshing to see you admit they do compromise, that is considered the first step.

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