Re: Trump proposes seizing guns before due process
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In the wake of the mass shooting in Orlando that left 49 victims dead, Johnson says Americans would be safer if guns were more readily available, not more restricted From your link hippie
Orlando shooting at Pulse nightclub
"All these atrocities have been happening in gun-free zones," he declares. "If there were law-abiding citizens that were carrying weapons — I'm not saying they would lessen the impact of these horrible atrocities, but maybe, maybe they could."
Johnson says the laws permitting "concealed carry" in some states have reduced violent crime. A criminal might think, he suggests, "Gee, do I try to steal this woman's purse in this parking lot, or seven or eight of these people who are around here, are they carrying weapons and I might get hurt, so I'm going to not accost her." Over the past five years, he himself has purchased two guns, kept at his home in Taos, for self-protection.
He also sees possession of guns as a bulwark against government tyranny.
"I mean, there have been atrocious drug raids and atrocious drug raids that have resulted in the death of individuals that were completely innocent," he says. "I would just ask the question, if the DEA knew they were raiding someone's home where they had automatic weapons, if that was just a known element of 'we're going to raid these people,' would they have raided them in the first place, just knowing that they had that deterrent?"
Even so, Johnson also says he has a "nuanced" view of the Libertarian Party platform plank, which opposes "all laws at any level of government" restricting guns. "We should be open to a discussion on keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill," he says. "I don't know how that manifests itself, but I'm looking to get elected president of the United States. I just want to let people know I have an open mind about how we might, how government might, interject itself in a lot of the problems we have."
Sounds better than eliminating due process to me
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Trump proposes seizing guns before due process
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I think it has nothing to do with his working knowledge of the Constitution.
Trump has to win and will play to both sides to achieve that end. Does anybody know what he really stands for?
If he wants to win in 2020 he can't loose the support of conservatives and the far right.
His second term could be much different than his first term. He won't need the NRA or conservatives.
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Re: Trump proposes seizing guns before due process
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Trump should just quit and let the babboons continue on the losing course they're on. He will be fine. Why should he care about his country? He's fighting a losing battle. The left will gladly see the US fail in order to see Trump leave office.
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Re: Trump proposes seizing guns before due process
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I don't trust politicians. Especially the ones who have invited Hillary to their wedding.
Maybe you aren't paranoid enough.
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Re: Trump proposes seizing guns before due process
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I don't trust politicians. Especially the ones who have invited Hillary to their wedding.
Maybe you aren't paranoid enough. LOL!
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Re: Trump proposes seizing guns before due process
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I think Trump gets a kick out of playing with the media. This Scenario Is Just Like President Trump Telling The DEMO-Crats To "Bring Me Anything On DACA And I Will Sign It, And Take The Heat". President Trump Is Messiing With Their Heads Again, And I'm Loving It !!! w
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Re: Trump proposes seizing guns before due process
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U libs r right that Trump doesn't act like prior presidents. That is why he got elected. We r tired of the same old crap. The man is not a seasoned politician and that is why he is there-he is cleaning out the mess left by the prior presidents. He just keeps those D's guessing what's gonna happen next. Even though he's been hittin some speed bumps he's doin what we put him there to do! 5 stars yet! So conservatives disliked their own elected officials so much they voted in the class clown to straighten things out??? My old man would have said you cut off your nose to spit your face.. So your ok with him knocking on your door. Taking your guns because you said something to someone.. then government folks deciding if you meet their idea of nuts or not??? Cops couldn't find time to run the list of folks that could end up with them knocking on your door..Probably some of us on this post. Mac Have you been watching Trump on tariffs, He "said" he was putting a 20% tariff on steel imports, To help increase US steel jobs, good union jobs. You guys coming over yet. Or is witch hunting just too fun?
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Re: Trump proposes seizing guns before due process
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Unions are one of the reasons we don't have a steel industry anymore. Its why cars are only assembled in the U.S. Unions should not be national. Unions are controlled by organized crime. If unions had never gone national that wouldn't be the case.
I believe we need a steel industry. The inability to produce all the steel we use has the potential to be a BIG problem. We don't need the unions. At least not on a national level.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Trump proposes seizing guns before due process
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BTW diggerman, just how much money did your gangster union bosses spend, of your money, to elect Hillary???????????????????????
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Trump proposes seizing guns before due process
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BTW diggerman, just how much money did your gangster union bosses spend, of your money, to elect Hillary??????????????????????? They spent 100% of my money, Apparently you have to be "vested" for 10 years or they steal your retirement.
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Re: Trump proposes seizing guns before due process
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BTW diggerman, just how much money did your gangster union bosses spend, of your money, to elect Hillary??????????????????????? They spent 100% of my money, Apparently you have to be "vested" for 10 years or they steal your retirement. I've worked both union and non-union jobs. I agree with Danny there are crooks in some unions the money does that to people. Thing is Trump is used to being the boss not an employee. So he can just say "Your Fired!" At least when you work in a union you have a contract with some recourse for (Due Process) when the boss says your fired. So Trump is very used to not giving someone Due Process, he don't like ya.. Your fired! Same as take your guns then decide if you should have lost them.. But he has already changed his tune. Must be scared of the NRA?? or just going in circles thinking every one will still love him. Mac
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Re: Trump proposes seizing guns before due process
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"If you don't know where you are going any road you take will get you there"
Bryce True and sometimes you drive around aimlessly till you find something you recognize.
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Re: Trump proposes seizing guns before due process
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If Trump wants to take gun owners Due Process away he should lead by example. Put the VP in charge until the Russian thing is all sorted out..
Mac
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Re: Trump proposes seizing guns before due process
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Its sorted out. Due process will be when Obama and Hillary are hanging at the end of a rope for treason.
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Re: Trump proposes seizing guns before due process
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Hillary hasn't been in office in years and Obama in over a year.....when are people finally going to move on??? Its a tired, old reply.
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