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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6180823
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If paying teachers a decent wage is a liberal idea I guess I’ll take that.


It's always a liberal idea when it's someone else's money .............lol


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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6180915
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Originally Posted By: AntiGov
If paying teachers a decent wage is a liberal idea I guess I’ll take that.


It's always a liberal idea when it's someone else's money .............lol

Where would you prefer your tax dollars be spent?

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6180971
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All tax dollars were spent about 20 trillion dollars ago.


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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Gary Benson] #6180975
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Originally Posted By: Gary Benson
All tax dollars were spent about 20 trillion dollars ago.


Great observation. I'm stealing that one.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6180992
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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Kyt] #6180998
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Originally Posted By: Kyt
Strikes like that are an indication of failure and poor management. Teachers are paid literally poverty wages (they qualify for food stamps) but if they have to ask for a measley 5 percent raise they are ignored until they walk out. FIVE percent of POVERTY. It is a disgrace.
More than ever, this generation needs education to be a much higher priority than it has been. There will never be enough money. What there is can be prioritized better.
So these teachers are celebrating a minuscule 5 percent raise. When does the next one come along? Without a higher priority-- never--until the next strike.


I would like to see proof that teachers are paid so little that they qualify for food stamps.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181008
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As a teacher in WV who participated in the strike, some of these comments are horrible and misguided at best.

Wkimble1 has no idea but has some good straw man arguments.

Antigov spewing indoctrination ideas he saw on fox news is just as bad.

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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181019
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I would like to see proof that teachers are paid so little that they qualify for food stamps.


Me Too! If that's the case, tax payers better open their wallets a lot wider,not just for the public unions,but for the millions of those with a median income below that of the teachers!

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181036
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If the Fed spent $0 for the next 13.3 years, we'd be back to dead broke. Plus interest.


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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Cole semo] #6181038
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Originally Posted By: Cole semo
Originally Posted By: AntiGov
If paying teachers a decent wage is a liberal idea I guess I’ll take that.


It's always a liberal idea when it's someone else's money .............lol

Where would you prefer your tax dollars be spent?


A tax credit for mothers that say home and take care of there kids. JMO


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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: mnsota] #6181077
03/08/18 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: mnsota
I would like to see proof that teachers are paid so little that they qualify for food stamps.


Me Too! If that's the case, tax payers better open their wallets a lot wider,not just for the public unions,but for the millions of those with a median income below that of the teachers!


I guarantee it. I personally know three that do. Nearly all of them would if they are single parents. Small school districts don't pay like big inner-city jobs.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Gary Benson] #6181129
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Originally Posted By: Gary Benson
All tax dollars were spent about 20 trillion dollars ago.

That’s due to frivolous spending and misallocation not paying teachers a decent wage.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181132
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Absolutely. No argument about that.


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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181176
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The whole teacher/teacher wage deal is certainly a BIG conundrum. My daughter is a teacher, one of the good ones. She busted her butt to get where she is today and deserves every nickel she is paid......but she and I have had this talk on dozens of occasions. The fact is, this "free" education system is not sustainable as-is, and will eventually go bankrupt when the homeowners can no longer afford their property taxes. At some point, I'm afraid,. the whole system will collapse. As a homeowner/landowner I am hit hard at tax time, as a future former teacher/retiree I am certain my daughter will be hit even harder when the money is gone that will pay her pension. It is a looming storm on a not-so-distant horizon. Hopefully I'll be long gone when it happens, and what I pass on down to her and her brother will help them weather the storm.


Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: J.Morse] #6181206
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. . . The fact is, this "free" education system is not sustainable as-is, and will eventually go bankrupt when the homeowners can no longer afford their property taxes.


And therein lies the rub.

Years ago, forgot how many now, there was a movement here in Wisconsin to take the burden of school taxes off the homeowner and include it in the sales tax. Presentations were made to school districts around the state to rally and organize teachers to talk to their legislators. With all the pie charts and graphs and such foo-foo-rah the claim was made that a mere penny and a half sales tax added to the 5% we were already paying (or five and a half) would pay for all public education.

Those who spent more paid more. Period.

Never heard much about that movement after that year.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181213
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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Anglinscreek] #6181234
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Originally Posted By: Anglinscreek
As a teacher in WV who participated in the strike, some of these comments are horrible and misguided at best.

Wkimble1 has no idea but has some good straw man arguments.

Antigov spewing indoctrination ideas he saw on fox news is just as bad.


Please enlighten us then. Apparently teaching is the only profession in which people work hard and are underpaid.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181260
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I personally know a WV teacher who has 2 kids and qualifies for food stamps and WIC or whatever that program is. If you don't want to believe that is the case, I can't blame you. I didn't want to believe it either.
That WV Gazette article is good information, especially if you read the whole article. One thing it says is the percentage of educator's compensation above the median for the state is helped by THE LOW MEDIAN INCOME IN THE STATE. And also that good teachers can't be attracted and retained when compensation is so low. And that there is a direct correlation between competitive teacher compensation and overall quality of education.
Actually teachers are entitled. They are entitled to fair pay and fair management and a safe work environment. It doesn't take much digging into the facts and news of school shootings to see they are not being treated fairly.
For those who say the solution is to move to somewhere that pays more--that is one way to avoid the problem. Then those who remain can endure the unfixed problem. An education system going downhill more every day. Or you can "take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing, end them".

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181287
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Wait,wait,wait,KYT are you saying the reason W.Virginia (in this case)
teachers don't make as much money as some other states is because
the people who live in that state don't make as much money as people in those other states?
Wonder if there's a correlation?

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181301
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Originally Posted By: Kyt
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"take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing, end them".




It was only thanks to a Brittish Lit class in college where we had to read nasty romantic era(opium era) stuff from Lord Byron and others that I was able to lose most of my ability to recite this soliloquy from memory.

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