Re: What could get “right wing” to support gun control
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Paul, I would say there is none. The "well-regulated militia" clause is merely prefatory. The operative language is "shall not be infringed."
The language of the Second Amendment was the result of political compromise of the times, and was left ambiguous in places on purpose.
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Re: What could get “right wing” to support gun control
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Hmmmm, I'm still buying more guns, lol.
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What could get “right wing” to support gun control
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Paul Dobbins
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The Second Amendment seems slightly ambiguous in the modern day, so an examination of what the founders intended the Amendment to mean at the time would be more productive. Here are some quotes by men who wrote and signed the Constitution regarding the use and ownership of firearms: http://sites.psu.edu/considerconservatis...t-be-infringed/ “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” – George Mason, Speech at the Virginia Ratifying Convention, 1788 “The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.”– Samuel Adams “The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that … it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; … “– Thomas Jefferson These statements and many others indicate that the authors of the Constitution believed that the right to bear arms was an individual and inalienable right, necessary to protect society from tyrannical governments. Additionally, an argument made for personal gun rights is that the allowance for a government militia or army is present in Article 1, Section 8 of the original Constitution, and the Second Amendment specifically added the rights of the people to bear arms after referencing the militia clause. The entire Bill of Rights was, as indicated by its name, added for the safeguarding of the rights of American citizens and states, and almost all the evidence points towards the Second Amendment acknowledging an individual right to bear arms.
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Re: What could get “right wing” to support gun control
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Re: What could get “right wing” to support gun control
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I deserve to own a grenade launcher, and some anti tank weaponry . Just in case.
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Re: What could get “right wing” to support gun control
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I think we need a strong military. Every organism needs a defense, and sometimes an offense. There is too much disparity in the world for us to not have a guard up, globally .
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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Re: What could get “right wing” to support gun control
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Great job Paul!, you are a great American sir. Thank you
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Re: What could get “right wing” to support gun control
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If we are to protect ourselves from a "tyrannical" government, how can we do that with inferior arms? We need to have arms equal to those in government who would wish to impose their will on us. Indeed.
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Re: What could get “right wing” to support gun control
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I still get a laugh out of the people who call Trump the devil and Hitler, yet would trust only him and the government with the guns.
Solid proof they ain't thinking right.
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Re: What could get “right wing” to support gun control
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As well intended as the bill of rights was, it was still a compromise; Madison intended it all be part of the main body on the Constitution. Not all our Founding Fathers were in favor of freedom, something we tend to forget. Amendments can be revoked, and some day soon there will be a movement to revoke the 2nd.
So, a couple more apparently in favor of firearms freedom, I think that's up to 5-6 now and still so many want restrictions. Restrictions, no matter how well intended only restrict the law abiding, why do we have so much trouble comprehending that basic fact? This forum is made up of trappers and hunters, people that use guns, the supposed "right"; yet the majority are in favor of gun control. Again, the op question is moot, there seems to be no right wing opposition to gun control. The apparent stance of the "right wing" is gun control is great as long as I personally can keep a few.
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Re: What could get “right wing” to support gun control
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Kinda of off topic but what is the libertarian view on capital punishment? Way off topic and I'm not a Libertarian, but I see stoning at the public meeting place by all the people as the Bible directs. What is your view?
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Re: What could get “right wing” to support gun control
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If we are to protect ourselves from a "tyrannical" government, how can we do that with inferior arms? We need to have arms equal to those in government who would wish to impose their will on us. That's it right there.
"They that can give up essential liberty to gain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety" Ben Franklin talking about guns
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Re: What could get “right wing” to support gun control
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Kinda of off topic but what is the libertarian view on capital punishment? Way off topic and I'm not a Libertarian, but I see stoning at the public meeting place by all the people as the Bible directs. What is your view? My view is that the punishment should fit the crime. Now the question. Is there a crime committed that, other than capital punishment, is worthy of the punishment of the loss of constitutionally protected rights?
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