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Re: Fresh glands vs aged [Re: concrete man] #6595693
08/16/19 01:22 AM
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Thanks guys I really appreciate the tips to get me started. I'm sure I'll screw it up somehow but it will be a learning curve. Using the otter glands as a curiosity lure/experiment for canines. Will age with some good fox urine I get from Marty Smith.


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Re: Fresh glands vs aged [Re: concrete man] #6596661
08/17/19 10:26 AM
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Well I guess I'm the odd one, I grind fresh red fox, coyote, mink and Muskrat glands combined together preserve with Blackies Stop It. Add enough glycerin to cover and let it sit all summer, then add Red fox Bladder urine come September. Nice mild gland smell that makes em pee..


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Re: Fresh glands vs aged [Re: concrete man] #6597900
08/19/19 10:29 AM
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Gbus,there are plenty others that prefer preserving them fresh and others that like to add fresh preserved to a batch of aged.I'm positive,all of it catches canines,so a guy has options

Re: Fresh glands vs aged [Re: concrete man] #7552970
04/09/22 08:09 AM
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I want to ensure I do this right. To "age" glands you just put them in a glass jar, vent periodically, and let them rot down over the course of a year or two? I've always used fresh, preserved glands with glycerin and either castor, tonquin or asafoetida tincture. been reading through the archives here and it seems most prefer well aged glands?

Re: Fresh glands vs aged [Re: concrete man] #7553045
04/09/22 09:16 AM
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We prefer to age all glands indoors. It may take several years for good breakdown to occur. However, they are very consistent in age, odor and color. All of our glands are a gold like tan to beige color and the resulting odor is that musky natural gland odor of that animal species . Key is starting with clean cuts without feces and minimal hair as is reasonable.

Starting with poorly handled glands with feces, excess tissue, blood etc. will yield a sour sewer like odor when aged with all that bacteria. Some like that type of odor however I do not. Animal reactions are different with each process.

Grind everything as fine as is possible before aging as this will speed up the tissue breakdown. It also will make working the material after aging much easier. Stirring occasionally will ensure consistent breakdown throughout the material. Once the glands have reached the age and consistency you want, you can preserve them well , and they will last forever until such time they are needed for use.

Outdoor aging is all over the place with temperatures and can alter the final odor significantly, as well as risking exposure to flies and animal concerns getting into your products. Try different batches aged indoors and outdoors and see what smells most natural and has that subtle musky odor as glands should possess.

In formulation work consistency is desired and needed to keep product quality high and standardized as much as is possible.

Re: Fresh glands vs aged [Re: concrete man] #7553765
04/10/22 12:44 AM
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It’s surprising how much of a odor fresh glands give off, nothing wrong with having some available during the season to change things up. It’s easy to make up small batches when needed.


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Re: Fresh glands vs aged [Re: concrete man] #7554046
04/10/22 10:53 AM
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What should be used to stop or preserve fresh glands ? I’m assuming SB or salt or borax would all work equally but is one preferable over the others ?

Re: Fresh glands vs aged [Re: concrete man] #7554263
04/10/22 03:31 PM
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SB that’s it role in the food industry.


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Re: Fresh glands vs aged [Re: concrete man] #7554294
04/10/22 04:47 PM
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I'm thinking of trying to make some with fresh glands. Grind fresh and mix in SB then wait until it has had time to work before adding urine, or add urine at the same time as SB?

Re: Fresh glands vs aged [Re: concrete man] #7554335
04/10/22 05:38 PM
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Made some fresh preserved the last time it came out gummy like a puddy, whipped it up in a blender to be able to work with it easier.


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Re: Fresh glands vs aged [Re: concrete man] #7560120
04/16/22 09:23 AM
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I caught a couple wolves last week and ground up their glands to use as a recognizable fresh gland lure on a few sets for the rest of the pack. Added some glycerin to them to keep it from freezing since it is getting into the low teens at night. Now I wasn't really thinking and I added glycerin to the whole jar rather than just a little bit to take out on the line with me. My question is, will the glycerin affect the aging process on the rest of the jar?

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04/16/22 11:07 AM
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Glycerin is not a top end preservative unless used in higher volumes per batch. However, Glycerin added at 50% volume or greater will give good anti aging properties and anti freezing properties to a formula or other materials. Most do not or should not depend upon glycerin alone as a good long term stabilizing anti aging material.

Glycerin is a good anti freeze as is P.Glycol. Depending upon the temperatures to be encountered, 20-25% volume will usually provide adequate anti freezing for most materials unless being used in sub zero conditions for extended periods then more would be advised..

Smaller amounts of glycerin added for its anti freezing properties will certainly retard or stop the natural aging process of glands, or other organic materials that are wished to be aged further.

Re: Fresh glands vs aged [Re: concrete man] #7561312
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Well this is a little less than 20% glycerin. But I may be making a small batch of fresh gland lure whether I was wanting to or not. I just wanted a small amount of fresh glands to take on the next trap check to try and interest the rest of the pack in the smell of their missing members. about the time I was screwing the lid back on the glycerin jug I thought, "now that was stupid!" Looks like I have about a pint of fresh gland/urine/glycerin mixture after I took an ounce or two out for using on the line.

Re: Fresh glands vs aged [Re: bearcat2] #7636532
07/27/22 08:26 PM
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Has anyone tried adding liver Bile to coyote glands? Maybe it will speed up the ageing time? I will have to collect some this winter and give it a try. Mercer Lawing on Face Book has a video on using Bile with bobcat glands. I thought it was pretty good. Is anyone else using Liver Bile with good or bad results? Thanks!!

Re: Fresh glands vs aged [Re: concrete man] #7640220
08/02/22 06:42 AM
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Old timey recipes often call for some bile.
I make 2 different lure name brands. It's interesting to see the contrast in beliefs about glands.
One only wants anal, bladder and hock. All else is considered filler with little value.
The other wants liver, bile, kidneys along with the anal bladder and hock.
I lean toward the first option for my own business. But both catch for

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