are you suggesting that constitutional government is outdated?

I'm suggesting none of ya would live a month in a country that fits your description of "free".

whats my description of free?

Hippie, we are talking about gun control. From 1776 until 1933 there were hardly any federal gun laws. Since I doubt you're 85 years old, you have never lived in a time of less federal gun laws.
I do find it humorous and a bit ironic to be explaining gun control advocacy to people who think they are pro gun, but are advocates for government control in reality.

I, and many others find it humorous you think you'd be better off without any gov't laws.

You've been to crap-hole countries where there is no gov't laws, and where the man with the most guns rules the roost. Were the people there "free"?

Hippo, we went over laws a few pages back, when Marty tried the same approach. I'm not going to re-type that lesson.
We are talking about gun control laws. Do you understand?

I guess "shall not be infringed" has a lot of meanings lol...

That's because you know what i just wrote is correct, and this country would soon be the same as those coutries with your thinking.

Yes hippo, if government didn't do background checks and make us have our papers to keep our pistols under our coats we would be Somalia in 3 months.
Thsee gun control issues are what I am talking about. You're not making much sense this morning Hippo. Have some coffee.

We are a nation of laws, always have been. For those of you that prefer anarchy, or what you refer to as true freedom, there are plenty of countries like Hippie just described where the man with the biggest/most guns wins.

Gun control fellers coming out of the woodwork 'round here.

George Soros news

Here's what the real enemy is doing lately to farther weaken our country.

Anarchy, no. We are a nation of laws and those laws are on the books. No need for gun control laws because it is already covered.

Fixed it for ya Finn!

I'm guessing you calling me an anarchist is because you don't have a real argument? Since when is constitutional government anarchy? Ive tried to be polite but if you cant put down your crack pipe and keep posting stuff you hallucinated I will reply the same way.

Careful are you will offend the little mob that likes to run around with pitchforks and whine.

I would have to believe the owners of the media have to be some what behind gun control. There reporting of the news is always biased . They never give facts about all the guns that are in the U.S. that are owned by responsible citizens. Only the bad things are reported which panics and throws fear into people who know nothing about guns.
Also it brings out copy cat's wanting there names in history who are sick in the head.
I don't know what is going to happen in this country with guns. But I know that what is mine is mine.
I can't see the government coming for our guns all at once. But I do think they are trying to write new laws to disarm us a little at a time.
The young people today do not have a concept of history. They have never been in a war and seen the sacrifice some have had to give.
I hope I am gone before it hits the fan. But it is coming and I think by the time the children that are in school today become adults you will see the guns go by by.
And they will be led by the government like sheep.

Just tried to get the discussion back on point. Who is the real enemy?

I happen to mostly agree with their talking points but I don't believe that this argument with fellow gun lovers gets anyone anywhere.

Good post Hal. I believe they will try to take them in my lifetime. I am thankful to live where I live. 99% of the population in my area are like minded. Curtious, respectful, and we love our God and guns.

I believe that if the time ever comes, our local law enforcement would be on our side. I have actually had discussions with several officers in the surrounding towns.

False. If there is no discussion of gun control amongst people that own guns, there will be no progress made. If you believe in gun control, but only 'reasonable gun control'- that Republicans and the NRA agree with- well, it falls far short of the Constitution. There is no negative about discussing it. If it hurts feelers, or makes people feel sheepish that's ok too.