Anti-gov, I truly hope that is not the root of your idealogy. To 'slow it down'. It strikes at the heart of Americanism and is a way bigger issue than gun control. If you believe the best we can do is slow it down, to hopefully get old and die while we still have some freedoms left is not the way to go. To pass our country on to generations to come and as they put you in hospice to say "well, at least we slowed it down a bit for you and I was able to coast on out of here relatively unscathed, good luck in the fight grandson." My goodness.

Fly , you're both , too late and too early

What do you mean?

Fly ,Your ideas of freedom and a party that supports it came to the game way too late and now will have to wait for a new game to start.

While going in one direction the only way to reverse is to slow to a stop first or crash into an immovable object first.

After a crash you will not know for sure which direction things will be going since the result is unpredictable.

Society in general here in the USA has not had to struggle in quite a while so if we are talking about a societal collapse here in the USA then the majority would choose to be taken care of over personal freedom. This dependency is expanding quickly...in all areas...tech is the main area of expansion of dependency. Just remove internet and many would be lost and want it back more than almost anything else.

Generally the dreamers are the ones on the far edges of things....far left or far right. Realists are more toward the center but being a realist takes common sense which is in short supply today.

Personally, I think we are pretty close to the end because Mr. Trump is turning things around very fast and will continue to get good results. As more people see the follies of the democrats/progressives they will turn to the new right. The progressive dreamers include many tech 'elites' who may decide to crash everything if they see that they cannot get their way.

Everything is dependent on tech today and tech can be crashed. The result of an internet, financial, comms and grid crash would result in mass chaos and general anarchy. These tech elites and other elites are arrogant enough to believe they can make their dream world rise out of the ashes.

Lesson #1 Stop the bleeding (further erosion of our rights)

Please tell me how voting the status quo is going to stop the bleeding.

We've entrusted Republicans this far and we are still at the point where we are at.

We're still bleeding to death. Some just can't see it.

Mike

What avenues do you suggest to stop the bleeding ?

Trump is/was the only option to " slow " the bleeding . No stoping it !

When he's gone .............look out !

There is no answer to that Gov.

Time moves on and people way of thinking changes, and our way is going the way of horse and buggies. All we can do is slow them down until we have another war.

It's nothing but wishfull thinking that there is a better way at this point in time.

Won't happen, aint gonna happen so we just do the best we can at this point.

Agree 100%

Well, this discussion took an interesting and,honestly, surprising turn. How can one admit that the foundations of freedom (the Constitution) is on a slide to oblivon yet they best they can do is vote for who they always did and hope to slow it?
Marty admits to being a realist centrist who pins his hope on Don T. to slow the side to a stop, then miraculously when his 8 years are done the party that has been 50% of the problem will find a new found love of freedom and personal liberty and creep back towards Americanism. Ok, I disagree but at least that is a plan. What kind of plan is just admitting that it is lost and trying to slow it? Slow it for who? You?

Sane people.

Fly ,Your plan is a pipe dream and offers Nada , Nothing , Zero , Zilch in realistic solutions

Hows your plan working out?

Where's Johnston at these days?

Allowing and abetting a slow slide to despotism is a realistic plan? I call that cowardly.

No, cowardly is taking your ball and going home, leaving the fight to us.

That feather reminds me of Carlos Hathcock

exactly.

sure, join GOA and JPFO and every other .org that SAYS they won't compromise. with their membership #'s, that's like asking a weinie dog to pull a Budweiser wagon uphill.

wouldn't it be better to join the NRA, get involved in the internal politics and LEAD them to a different philosophy? but, I guess it's easier to sit outside with your little weinie (dog) and complain about it not doing enough.

in all of these public debates, I never saw the Parkland gun control nutz ever vilify GOA. I wonder why...

Gun control people needn't vilify the GOA, or anyone else who doesn't engage in or support gun control. The NRA does engage in gun control, so they know who to play ball with. Those two groups can argue amongst each other the definition of reasonable and milk more donations.