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Not the local tavern...
I'm talking about making a watering hole for deer, to attract & help hold deer on ones hunting land. What's the trick to knowing if it's worth creating 1. I want to make 1, but how do I know if it will naturally hold water?


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My sons and I put one in last year. Had a very small spring in the woods. Sent kids back with my bull dozer and roughed out a small pond. Had to put some tarps down to help retain water. Had deer tracks there within a week. Without some moving water I would think it would turn stagnant.

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you need moving water and patience to let it naturally silt in.i have 5 ponds of different sizes on my 50 acres thanks in part to a tremendously nice spring i've never saw not running.









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Here they block a drainage or dig a hole in a low spot in a pasture/field.


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As already stated,it needs to have some movement.
Another problem is water holes attract bugs,Nat's are the worst
Most worry about cwd,but no one talked about blue toung and other bug born deer killers. These take more deer every year than cwd has in it's known history. So use caution with placement of a water hole. Just what I have learned.
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Do deer near you travel a long way to find water in Wisc? Might be the ticket.

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Originally Posted By: wetdog
Another problem is water holes attract bugs, Nat's are the worst Most worry about cwd,but no one talked about blue tongue and other bug born deer killers.


This, but, if you have no natural water...


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Buy a horse tank and take It out In the woods. Drive out with your ATV and fill It.
You just can't dig a hole In the ground and come up with a pond. The tank Is a no brainer.

Will the deer drink out of It? who knows but if there isn't any other water around I'm betting they will. Then plant your red topped turnips around the tank and start killing deer.


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Even with a permanent pond 60 years old and spring fed, I don't see a lot of deer tracks there. I think deer take in most of the needed water as dew when they browse at night and dawn.
The only way to "hold deer on one's hunting land" is for that land to big enough to comprise the deer's entire home range. They move something like 29hours a day.

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Originally Posted By: wetdog
As already stated,it needs to have some movement.
Another problem is water holes attract bugs,Nat's are the worst
Most worry about cwd,but no one talked about blue toung and other bug born deer killers. These take more deer every year than cwd has in it's known history. So use caution with placement of a water hole. Just what I have learned.
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Don't know anything about building a pond but what this guy said is true. My brothers and I found at least 6 dead deer last year. We sent some pics of a deer that had died only minutes ago to a neighbor that works at the Penn State test lab and he said Blue tongue. Couldn't tell you how many died that we didn't find but it knocked some of our population back! BE CAREFULL. you may end up doing more harm than good if it geys muddy around the pond site.


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A few years ago, we had a drought and very hot summer for the area. I always have resident does and fawns in my back yard. I put out a couple of buckets of water for the deer and whatever else was thirsty. Every day, we had deer, fox, birds, squirrels etc, hitting those buckets. I changed them out daily to keep clean. It was cool watching 5 or 6 deer, waiting in line for a cool drink of clean water. They never even thought twice about putting thier snoot in a bucket.
As far as a permanent water hole, it depends on the location and water source. I have seen lots of small holes on high ground, that always had water, but they looked quite nasty. Deer will use them, but if water is not replaced often, it can be a breeding ground for disease. I hope it works out.


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I do kind of wonder if they spread disease. Some of you might be raising a very legitemate concern.

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AJE I will take a deer sanctuary over a waterhole any day. And what I mean by that is. 10% or more of your hunting property is groomed to be a THICK bedding area. With a food plot or two inside.
And you never go inside during hunting season. Unless its to bring out a deer after dark.
You can't break that rule or it does not work,and you waisted all time and effect for nothing.

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I hear ya.

we would never think of dragging a deer out until after closing time. Sometimes If It's late In the day we won't even gut It till dark. You don't want to run any deer out of your ground to someone else hunting the perimeter.


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Originally Posted By: AJE
I do kind of wonder if they spread disease. Some of you might be raising a very legitemate concern.


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Does a skid steer work well to build watering holes?


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It has been my experience that deer will walk past a clear bubbling stream to drink out of a muddy water hole. If you have a good clay layer and are careful not to dig through it, you can make a seasonal water hole.

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Don't have any running water in the land I hunt and I've seen them drinking out of mud holes and little spray ponds on the farm. Don't see deer dying anywhere from it. Ponds get dug all the time. Problem will be getting one dug that will always hold water without a stream or ditch or spring entering it


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I set up an old cast iron bath tub and haul water to it. One year it only had a couple inches of water in it so next day I took a tank of water down there and drove up to it pretty fast and there was two half grown coons in it, the sides were slick and they had a time getting out of it. In dry weather all the critters esp. deer keep the grass wore down around it.

After the coon deal I keep a 4'' pole in it so they can climb out and not drown when it has more water in it.

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Not sure how important water holes are in your country. Out here they are but water is scarce most years. A great method used is a simple Lean-To structure. 10x10 about 2 tall. On the backside of it is a piece of guttering that catches the runoff rain water and dumps it in a small holding tank. Most of the time its a 55 gallon drum cut in half. Good idea to put a stick or post in it to left small critters that fall in crawl out and not drown and pollute the water. Government used to mandate them in some CRP fields. Look at Wildlife Guzzers on the web. Lots of cheap and easy designs. Heres a nice one.

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Soft dirt after the snow melts. 25hp tractor with just the front end loader taking off a few inches at a time. My soil doesnt hold water here so I lined it with a tarp and ran a length of HDPE pipe to it and filled it with my irrigation well.

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I think good bedding areas and some food plots will attract and hold more deer then a water source. With a lot less work.


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The attached link references deer farms or deer ranches in areas where water is much less likely to be commonly found as it would be in a humid climate such as western WI.
Note the ranges or distances referenced for water. I would guess that you have several sources within that distance on our own land and if you don't have the cover they want your water hole will not be a high priority for the deer in your area. Another resource indicated that while deer are eating succulent, green food sources they can get up to 90% of their water while eating.

https://www.buckmanager.com/2012/07/31/whitetail-deer-water-requirements-and-deer-hunting/

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Originally Posted by AJE
Not the local tavern...
I'm talking about making a watering hole for deer, to attract & help hold deer on ones hunting land. What's the trick to knowing if it's worth creating 1. I want to make 1, but how do I know if it will naturally hold water?

My buddy did this down near Waupaca. Has had great success. Better than a food plot especially during a dry spell. His initial year he used an old kiddy pool. Tons of traffic of everything and sime good photos until it got punctured. The next year he dug it out more and used a thick rubber pond liner. Its not terribly large but it is heavily visited. He takes freezer meat from there every year and got one dandy of a buck a year or so ago.

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Good info.

Good article Bryce.

We got the skid steer running. And I bought a liner.

Last year, before I filled the holes on our access trail w/ gravel, the deer loved the mud puddles on our trail.

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Originally Posted by AJE
Not the local tavern...
I'm talking about making a watering hole for deer, to attract & help hold deer on ones hunting land. What's the trick to knowing if it's worth creating 1. I want to make 1, but how do I know if it will naturally hold water?

My buddy did this .. Has had great success. Better than a food plot especially during a dry spell. His initial year he used an old kiddy pool. Tons of traffic of everything and sime good photos until it got punctured. The next year he dug it out more and used a thick rubber pond liner.


I bought this conveyor belt for $1 at an auction the other day. While not rubber, I'm thinking maybe it'll help protect the liner if I put it above the liner if I make a water hole. I might not need to put as much dirt above the liner. Then again the conveyor may rot quickly. It seems pretty strong though.

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My buddy just dug a hole about a week ago and put In 100 gallon tank. So far he has 8 different deer drinking from It and one pic on the trail cam had 12 turkeys drinking from it. And has had several coon going In for a swim.
He has the tank about 4" above grade, he said something about some sickness a deer can get if the pond or tank gets dirt in It.
I saw a U tube video where the guy placed a large stick In the tank so If something fell In they could get back out.
And that tank Is just 20 yards from my shooting house. And guess where I'll be on opening week end. I'll be In North Dakota walleye fishing for week.

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AJE did you get the proper permits to build? Take it from me you want that permit before you dig and fill. I have been working with the DNR on water issues on my property for a few years. Some need approval and permits and others just need a free permit but you will want to send a detailed plan to the DNR for approval. In trying to make a man made pond bigger and relieve some acreage of some water issues created by a road and culverts I have gone round and round with them. Wisconsin takes water very seriously and the potential fines follow that seriousness.

If you are just looking to give the deer some water get a trough and either build a rain collections system so you don't have to haul water or haul the water. In the end it will be cheaper and easier.

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Mine is coming along. Plenty deer tracks there every night checking it out even before there was water in it. But it's mainly for fishing. Lots of sweat equity in those stones and I'm planning on adding alot more structure especially in the corners. This is pond #5 on my properties and I'd turn it into one big lake if I could. Problem is, the wallet is always smaller than the pond you desire!


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Originally Posted by tjm
Even with a permanent pond 60 years old and spring fed, I don't see a lot of deer tracks there. I think deer take in most of the needed water as dew when they browse at night and dawn.
The only way to "hold deer on one's hunting land" is for that land to big enough to comprise the deer's entire home range. They move something like 29hours a day.

^^^^^This^^^^^^^^


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Originally Posted by bblwi
The attached link references deer farms or deer ranches in areas where water is much less likely to be commonly found as it would be in a humid climate such as western WI.
Note the ranges or distances referenced for water. I would guess that you have several sources within that distance on our own land and if you don't have the cover they want your water hole will not be a high priority for the deer in your area. Another resource indicated that while deer are eating succulent, green food sources they can get up to 90% of their water while eating.

https://www.buckmanager.com/2012/07/31/whitetail-deer-water-requirements-and-deer-hunting/

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Deer that do not have access to adequate amounts of water will not forage. This would put a damper on any deer management efforts in a hurry, not to mention the deer hunting, or lack thereof, on a property. Deer that fail to eat do not raise fawns, grow large antlers or live.


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I'd put one in. There are lots of factors to keep and hold deer. A water hole certainly won't hurt. I would work on researching how to create bedding too.

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Is water a limiting factor for deer in your area?

Living here in swamp/river country I can't grasp that concept.

If I could, I would trade you a few of these small swamps for a few of those bean and cornfields. I'll even throw in the snakes and gators...free.


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Fish, including carp, will usually clear a pond of mosquito larvae, or so I've heard. That's one of the reasons the Japanese put koi (a small, human-bred, colorful species of carp) in their ponds.

Of course you'd have to dig a sizable pond to keep fish alive and breeding. In Wisconsin, I expect, the pond would have to be deep.

All right, so now I'm talking about a sizable pond, not a watering hole. Never mind.

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Bury a cow/horse tank like beav said, put it in a location that deer travel. Put a camera on it. Deer and most every other critter will use it. Hang a licking branch not to far away. Watch you camera light up with deer. As the different phases of the rut begin your water hole will be hit with bucks that need to re hydrate after running for days on end!

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Originally Posted by deerfly
Bury a cow/horse tank like beav said, put it in a location that deer travel. Put a camera on it. Deer and most every other critter will use it. Hang a licking branch not to far away. Watch you camera light up with deer. As the different phases of the rut begin your water hole will be hit with bucks that need to re hydrate after running for days on end!

Like this 40 gallon tank maybe

https://www.theisens.com/products/poly-oval-stock-tank/24330015/


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Originally Posted by deerfly
Bury a cow/horse tank like beav said, put it in a location that deer travel. Put a camera on it. Deer and most every other critter will use it. Hang a licking branch not to far away. Watch you camera light up with deer. As the different phases of the rut begin your water hole will be hit with bucks that need to re hydrate after running for days on end!

I'm going to try the licking stick idea. I'll try to get it out soon.


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Needs to be moving water. Stagnant water is a mosquito infested desease hole.

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Originally Posted by VaBeagler
Needs to be moving water. Stagnant water is a mosquito infested desease hole.

A problem even if a person waits until late summer or Fall to fill it? I assume your temps are much warmer in VA.


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You are probably right, just noticed that you are in wisconsin. Around here stagnant water will have green slime algie topping in a matter of days.

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Malaria pit

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Blue tongue could maybe be a concern.


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A kiddie pool from the Dollar General. You can even dig enough to put it close to ground level. Add water or let Mother Nature fill it up.
I know a lot of places that put in the small plastic troughs along the drivable roads or trails and can carry water to fill them up or enough water until Mother Nature can fill them.
All have 1x6s in them so anything that falls in them can get out. Plus it allows your smaller critters and birds a chance to drink as well.

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Wouldn't deer hooves break through a kiddie pool?


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Cut some 55 gallon plastic drums in half that have lids and you can make two and dig them in a foot so they won't get tipped over. They can be fllushed out periodically as needed.

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Originally Posted by AJE
Wouldn't deer hooves break through a kiddie pool?

Not unless they can sharpen them really sharp, lol. Its a solid plastic pool. They dont even mind the blue color.
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Originally Posted by bblwi
Cut some 55 gallon plastic drums in half that have lids and you can make two and dig them in a foot so they won't get tipped over. They can be fllushed out periodically as needed.

Bryce

I haven't found a source of plastic drums that are food grade.


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I would select a water source that required the least amount of maintenance and the least number of boots on the ground. You could dig or scrape with small backhoe or skid steer and then line the bottom with Sodium Bentonite.

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Sodium Bentonite..Thanks. I had never heard of such a thing


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