Re: Plant to stabilize stream bank
[Re: Muskrat]
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06/20/18 10:21 AM
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Mike Kelly
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Reed canary grass will probably beat ya to it. If you have the equipment or access to it, rip rap in those problem bends would be the best start on a project like this. Use rip rap as your last option. Putting rip rap on an unstable bank generally just means you going to be slowly dumping rip rap into the river. It will get undermined from just upstream or downstream of where the rip rap ends, or underneath it on the outside bends. It will eventually fall into the river and you are back to square one. Plus it is generally the most expensive option! Trees and deep rooted grasses or shrubs are much better long term because the roots hold everything in place, and have the same or better roughness to break up the flow into the bank. They also grow and heal themselves over time so the bank become more stable as time goes on.
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Re: Plant to stabilize stream bank
[Re: AJE]
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06/20/18 10:56 AM
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is it the stream eroding he bank or the run off ?
Last edited by GREENCOUNTYPETE; 06/20/18 10:56 AM.
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Re: Plant to stabilize stream bank
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06/20/18 11:08 AM
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Reed canary grass will probably beat ya to it. If you have the equipment or access to it, rip rap in those problem bends would be the best start on a project like this. Use rip rap as your last option. Putting rip rap on an unstable bank generally just means you going to be slowly dumping rip rap into the river. It will get undermined from just upstream or downstream of where the rip rap ends, or underneath it on the outside bends. It will eventually fall into the river and you are back to square one. Plus it is generally the most expensive option! Trees and deep rooted grasses or shrubs are much better long term because the roots hold everything in place, and have the same or better roughness to break up the flow into the bank. They also grow and heal themselves over time so the bank become more stable as time goes on. I believe that. The county has dumped tremendous amounts of rip rap and shot stone in local streams as road maintenance and each year for forty plus years the streams eat the stone and the county dumps more. What happens when the engineer in charge is a high school graduate with no other experience.
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Re: Plant to stabilize stream bank
[Re: Diggerman]
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06/20/18 11:40 AM
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Check with your county NRCS office. They will help you with design, permits and sometimes cost sharing. ^^^this Local Extension Ofc often has great info and offers Its your chance to get a return on the taxes you pay!
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Re: Plant to stabilize stream bank
[Re: AJE]
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06/20/18 11:49 AM
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We had a flood here two years ago and the only roots that remained were shumack. Amazing thick (5 to 6 inches) locked up the rocks and are still there. Everything else was washed out. Now this flood was caused by 6 inches of rain in three hours and some trees fell into the creek blocking it so that the water ran over a fame field ans washed out between my house a garage. Where I am is in the hilly part of Pa. Most hils(mountains to some) are 800 feet higher than the roads,,,,,,,jk
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Re: Plant to stabilize stream bank
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06/20/18 11:50 AM
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Reed canary grass will probably beat ya to it. If you have the equipment or access to it, rip rap in those problem bends would be the best start on a project like this. Use rip rap as your last option. Putting rip rap on an unstable bank generally just means you going to be slowly dumping rip rap into the river. It will get undermined from just upstream or downstream of where the rip rap ends, or underneath it on the outside bends. It will eventually fall into the river and you are back to square one. Plus it is generally the most expensive option! Trees and deep rooted grasses or shrubs are much better long term because the roots hold everything in place, and have the same or better roughness to break up the flow into the bank. They also grow and heal themselves over time so the bank become more stable as time goes on. There is a difference between Rip-Rap and dumping rock over the edge. if done properly it is the best option and also the most expensive. Reed canary grass will take over your wetland and spread down stream. I would rather have a little erosion than canary grass.
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Re: Plant to stabilize stream bank
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06/20/18 12:25 PM
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I would rather have a little erosion than canary grass. Not much of a choice around here. At least the river muskrats eat it.
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Re: Plant to stabilize stream bank
[Re: AJE]
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06/20/18 02:30 PM
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Riprap if you can and search materials that is used for such a purpose. We have some land that is very erodible along river banks. The best thing we can do s hope for dry years so cottonwood and willows have a chance to take off. The problem is we have so much high water they drown before they can get very tall.
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Re: Plant to stabilize stream bank
[Re: AJE]
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06/20/18 04:31 PM
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So this Is something to think about. The DNR forestry department has been killing off the willow growth along several trout streams here In Southern WI on several public hunting and fishing areas. They are saying the dense willow growth along the stream banks Is actually removing oxygen from the water In those areas.
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Re: Plant to stabilize stream bank
[Re: AJE]
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06/20/18 06:13 PM
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Willow's will sprout and take root from cuttings. Cut a willow up into 2' pieces and bury 1/2 of it in the wet ground/sand. Helps if the piece has some leaves on it.
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