Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday
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We had a wall to be built that was agreed upon during the Reagan administration. Later the Dumbocrats refused to fund it. $113 BILLION a year we are paying for the Illegal aliens EVERY year with what looks to be a lot more this year. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-costs-fair-amnesty-educations-costs-reform.html
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday
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The people who say a wall will not work do not want a wall or any checks on illegal immigration. True. There is no doubt in any normal thinking person's mind, that a wall will stop most illegal immigration through the Mexican border. Keith Why, thank you for the compliment. Jim
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday
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A border wall WILL work if it is built right. Make it hard enough to by pass it they will have to find another way. Cost for that would be prohibitive without a lot of backing. Sensors could be built into the wall for digging. Digging a tunnel under in sand or through rock isn't going to be cheap and easy like a fence that stops at ground level.
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday
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Yep..Just read the US is going to start opening military reservations to house them like up to 20,000. Looks like the US is going to be in the migrant camp business. Even read another article that the migrants just wait for the border patrol to pick them up. if it’s the same quality housing we live in then it sounds like a pretty good punishment to me
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday
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If they don't like the policy that the United States has for being here illegally. They could alway keep their sorry arses back in there own country to avoid any hardship on their families. The choice is their's not ours. Play by the rules and you will not get burned, it's that simple. I don't feel sorry for them at all.
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday
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Thanks for your kind offer, Keith. We will have to disagree on the wall though. I think I'll be proved right, mainly because it will take longer than Trump's term (or terms, if you are a true believer) just to get rights to the property underlying the wall. https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-workJim
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday
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For the full 1,000 miles, Trump’s 30-foot wall (with a 10-foot tunnel barrier) would cost $31.2 billion, or $31.2 million per mile, according to the best estimate from Massachusetts Institute of Technology engineers. With it costing us $113 BILLION a year we would be ahead to build it. The Whole article was full of if, maybe and buts. If fences and walls didn't work why is that the main security for prisons? They also do that in the big city with gated communities. As far as can't see past them between satellites and drones they could tell a lot more. When they can read a license plate using a satellite I am sure they can see a backhoe or dozer. To tunnel under they would have to support the over burden and the trucks bringing that in will leave tracks. Any system used can be defeated or even sabotaged to look like it is worthless.If used in conjunction with making it less attractive to employers and landlords it would help a lot. Terrorists is another reason this is needed. We tried the trust the Democrats back during the Reagan days with the Simpson/ Mazzoli act. They quit funding it.
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday
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https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/In Texas, any new wall would have to be built some distance from the border, because the line itself runs down the middle of the Rio Grande. To gauge the possible impact, the USA TODAY NETWORK used the state's open-records law to obtain digital property maps from all 13 Texas counties with border frontage. (A 14th county touches the border only at one point, accounting for a single parcel.) All told, a network analysis shows, about 4,900 parcels of property sit within 500 feet of the border in Texas. Most Texas land is privately owned, a fact that could complicate and delay efforts to build a wall in a state that reveres private-property rights. There is no public map of exactly where, or for how far, a future border wall would run. Some of the wall would surely be on land already owned by the federal government, such as levees. But the 4,900-parcel swath gives a sense of the massive land seizure and cost that the federal government could face. Is such a seizure feasible? After the 2006 Secure Fence Act, federal officials pursued private land in Texas for the current border fences. More than 300 condemnation cases were brought against landowners, according to data compiled by the network. Some cases were settled for as little as a $100 easement. In one, the U.S. paid $5 million for 6 acres. Many, though, have yet to be settled. As of summer 2017, nine years after the first cases were filed, 85 of the more than 300 cases were still in litigation. Some landowners died fighting their cases through the system.Because taking property for a wall would be the region's second round of condemnation, people will be ready to fight for just compensation, says Terence M. Garrett, chair of the Public Affairs and Security Studies Department at the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley. Based on last time, he predicts, about 20 percent of people will accept what the government offers; 80 percent will not. "Here we are in a decade and the judge still has eminent-domain cases pending in his court," Garrett says. "It's really a thicket, if you will, of all kinds of legal problems. We are looking at years, decades, of court cases."
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday
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I saw eminent-domain in action for building a highway in Missouri. They came through and within a few years took EVERYTHING they wanted to include historical building that were privately owned. With the last supreme court decision about seizure there is no real protection of private land.
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday
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Another reason not to build a wall is that a wall won't stop anyone unless it's guarded. How many guards would we need for a 2,000-mile border wall? How much is that going to cost?
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday
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LOL a 30 foot wall will stop a lot of folks. Not many running around with a 30 foot ladder on their back. Closed circuit monitors can help cover as well. Infrared sensors help as well. Looking to offset the $113 Billion a year we can put a bunch of guards on it as well and still be ahead. We can patch the hole in our boat now and start bailing or later when it will cost even more and take longer to clean the mess up or wait until it is too late.
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday
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I still the think it would be more productive to aggressively prosecute employers of illegals. If someone employs an illegal unknowingly they should have checked and known. Wont impede gangsters and other dope fiends but border patrol would have more time to hunt them.
Did you ever see the old Berlin wall Pete? It did pretty much stop illegal border crossing. For about 30 years, then was tore down. Wonder what tearing down cost?
I doubt any body will be shot for breeching Trumps wall so I don't think it will work as good as the Berlin wall did.
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday
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What happened to balance the budget tea partiers???????????????
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday
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What happened to balance the budget tea partiers??????????????? They served their purpose during Obamas first term and then cast to the side like a dirty rag.
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday
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Hey we will be totally broke, but we'll have a wall. 30 foot wall, LMBO. A 30 foot wall ain't even going to slow them down.
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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday
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Another reason not to build a wall is that a wall won't stop anyone unless it's guarded. How many guards would we need for a 2,000-mile border wall? How much is that going to cost?
Jim Is easy to advocate for open borders when your sitting up there in Alaska . I take it you've never spent much time in a s hole city overrun with illegals
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