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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6267794
06/26/18 08:38 PM
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I think we have no obligation what so ever .


Breaking laws have consequences .


Consequences never seem to include a trip to Disney Land


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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6267798
06/26/18 08:39 PM
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This is the link about Obama separating children from parents.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/06/25/...ecessary-648028

Former Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson appeared on “Fox News Sunday” and said illegal immigrant children were being separated from their families under President Barack Obama.

“We believed it was necessary at the time,” Johnson said of the highly controversial practice. “I still believe it is necessary.”

Fox News host Chris Wallace showed images of illegal immigrants, to include minors, being held in jail facilities, saying the Obama administration “started jailing entire families” in 2014, before asking Johnson if they handled it well back then.

The question coming amid the media-generated firestorm over illegal immigrants being treated much the same way under the Trump administration — albeit under improved living conditions, according to President Trump.

“In some cases, not a lot, but in some, you separated children from their parents in these pictures that we are putting up,” Wallace said.

Johnson did not run away from the reality being depicted on screen.

“Well, Chris, without a doubt the images and the reality from 2014 just like 2018 are not pretty,” he said. “And so, we expanded family detention. We had then 34,000 beds for family detention, only 95 of 34,000 equipped to deal with families.”

Johnson acknowledged that it was “controversial” — fortunately for him, the media had a slobbering love affair with the Obama administration, which limited any real impact from the decision.

“We believed it was necessary at the time,” he added. “I still believe it is necessary to main a certain capability for families. We cannot have catch and release and in my three years we deported or repatriated, or returned over a million people.”

Ironically, Johnson mimicked President Trump’s insistence Sunday that the problem must be dealt with at the border.

“But, again, you can deal with this on the border,” the former Obama administration official said. “You can try different things. We did not want to go so far as to separate families.”

Trump took to Twitter on Sunday to say our immigration laws are a mockery and that illegal immigrants arriving at our border need to be sent “back from where they came” without going through any judicial process.

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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6267799
06/26/18 08:39 PM
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Thank you Paul

Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6267800
06/26/18 08:42 PM
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If you're talking about the Flores settlement and consent decree, Wetdog, my understanding is that it says children can only be detained with parents for twenty days, and thereafter the government must use best feasible means to detain them. Or somesuch. Didn't the case arise because the government was holding children with non-family adults? I don't feel like Googling at the moment.


And I'm not familiar with the executive order you're talking about.

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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6267802
06/26/18 08:43 PM
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Another foundation stone of this country is the Bible
I think a few of you have forgot that

Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6267803
06/26/18 08:44 PM
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That link doesn't work for me, Paul.

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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6267804
06/26/18 08:44 PM
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I copied and pasted the text.



Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6267805
06/26/18 08:45 PM
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The one POTUS just signed to stop all the uprising. If that piece of paper was but in front of a fed judge
He would override it in 5 mins

Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6267806
06/26/18 08:46 PM
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I fixed the link.



Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6267811
06/26/18 08:54 PM
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As I said, shame on Obama.

I never heard about it then, and maybe we only heard about the policy now because Trump has increased the scale of the operation.

The media didn't do its job. Why didn't Fox News break the story when Obama was in office?

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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: James] #6267813
06/26/18 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: James
As I said, shame on Obama.
The media didn't do its job. Why didn't Fox News break the story when Obama was in office?

Jim


Why didn't any news media break the story? When it's Trump that is following the same policy, it's all of a sudden his fault for the policy.



Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6267833
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Not sure if it's a complete moral obligation or not, but letting people in all willy nilly ain't working out well for Germany. Merkel can't form a Gov't. We have a lot of people here that could use some of that moral obligation.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6267839
06/26/18 09:27 PM
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Seems like they have an agenda.



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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6267842
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Catch I agree I'm I favor of the wall BIG AND TALL
After today's SCOTUS ruling things are looking.
It frees Trump to inact operation cablesplicer brought into being in 2008

Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6267848
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Now we giving illegals free cable too? I bet they'll watch CNN enspanol.

Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: FlyinFinn] #6267877
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
Now we giving illegals free cable too? I bet they'll watch CNN enspanol.


One report I saw, showed illegal minors playing video games on a bigger big screen TV than we have, yet the left keeps comparing the detention centers to concentration camps in Nazi Germany.

Minor, illegal aliens get free medical, free dental, free meals, free education, free internet, free phone, free cable, recess, toys and free psychological counseling, while in the detention facilities. I have little doubt that's the best place they have ever lived in their lives and that it's nicer than where many Americans live too.

Keith

Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6267944
06/27/18 01:14 AM
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There was a real problem when Obama did the reunite or farm the kids out to those that claimed them as family. Seems a large group of them ended up in the human trafficking. Human Traffiking Even Snopes says it is true. How short of doing DNA tests can you be sure they are even related let alone parents? Any parent that would put a child into this dangerous of an undertaking should lose any right to them.

Like it or not the wall would HELP a lot by turning more away.

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Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: James] #6267970
06/27/18 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted By: James
As I said, shame on Obama.

I never heard about it then, and maybe we only heard about the policy now because Trump has increased the scale of the operation.

The media didn't do its job. Why didn't Fox News break the story when Obama was in office?

Jim


Seriously Jim?

Maybe it's a regional thing but there were protest all the time against Obama's immigration policy. Rarely would make national news but anyone that lives in a city was well aware of it and something that many liberals took issue with against Obama.

Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6267977
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I'm all for curbing illegal immigration. Anybody that forces another into prostitution against their will ought to be drowned.

I'm not convinced the way to fight those two things is a wall though.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: over 100 illegals arrested yesterday [Re: bass10] #6268165
06/27/18 02:07 PM
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I don't believe there is a magic cure all, it will take a multi prong cure. There will still be some slip through but sitting on our hands isn't the answer. I see now a federal judge has ruled all must be reunited. So now we can add more expense to holding them until the trial date as you can't hold the children in a general population prison system.The problem can't be ignored as it keeps growing.


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