Saw where Sincinnati is running a free needle mobile truck for junkies!!! Also have narcan and a pitstop for them to shoot up and be monitored. We have kids and grown ups that do and or will contribute to society that can't afford life saving meds but we give scum free instruments to break the law. !!! I would say stand up and protest but if I did it that would be illegal. EVEN worse I would sound like a Dummycrat !!!!!

I was one who made a harsh comment about the loss of a loved one to herion. BUT you know what life ain't a picnic. If you try to be something other than a leech. People are not entitled to anything. Nothing is for sure.
People have to make choices. Does everyone deserve a second chance ? You bet!!! Its the third and forth chance I have trouble with..
But todays politicians feed off of peoples emotions. Oh yea remember when I said some people like to be a leech. How do politicians thrive. Heck their lively hood depends on what they can get from others !!!!

Many call it a victimless crime and they never consider who pays for the services and hospital fees that are racked up every day by poor choices! Just seen one that is going to end up with a quarter of a million hospital bill or around that before it's all over maybe more! That bill will never get paid ever by that person and has already cost the system millions in services and aid costs already.


It's just going to get worse with the, (there are no consequences) thinking many have today!

they also never think about the victims who are hurt by them and the things they steal from others to support their habits! Like this4 yr old who lost all his great grandparents inheritances to him!

I think there would be fewer victims if all dope were legal again. By criminalizing it we have made the problems criminalization was supposed to alleviate worse. Not the least of which is organized, violent street gangs that exist solely to distribute drugs.

Addiction has NOT been reduced and the cost to families of dope fiends as well as every other tax payer are greater.

There will never be any progress made on harmful recreational drugs because the profit is to great. Illegal sales and distribution of narcotics is the last true capitalism and profits are incredibly lucrative. Rich get richer and addicts go to prison. Of course not until they get so desperate they end up arrested. Prison gets them healthy so when they are released they can provide the real outlaws with income for a few years again.

Since drugs already won the war on drugs,maybe it's time for another declaration and a doubling down on dumb.

LOL

Yea number would be reduced greatly just by declaring ONE day no narcan day... Just go one day without giving any narcan

In North Ireland the IRA is shooting dealers, you get a warning then a second warning then you get shot in the leg, there is not fourth warning you just disappear...

The only problem with that is they are all happy and care free but when they no longer have control it's up to everyone else to put then back together and maybe a small percentage see the light and the majority keep destroying everything in their path if it's theirs or not to destroy!

Sit down and figure what it cost to raise a child that is raised on aid his whole life, the cost of juvenile treatment for drugs or other behaviors, then adult incarceration all the time never being productive to society ever in that life.

I don't have the answers but this is what I see everyday!

Yup, free needles is nothing more than the government enabling a criminal. Keep the minions in the gutter, all they want is the vote.

That program has been running for years now ever since HEB c and aids

have to agree with you on this Jerry

The thing that gets me on these needle handouts is you can't buy a syringe to kill a skunk but they will give them to you if your an addict?

This ranks right up there with the idea that giving a person with behavioral issues the responsibility of taking their own meds is just like giving out needles to people already making poor choices seems short lived in reality! If they feel the need and they are offered a dirty needle are they really going to say no thanks I have a clean one in the next room.

Instead of working to decouple healthcare and it's associated 'society costs' from government, it is better to spend billions of taxpayer money on throwing them in prison AND pay for the associated health cost. Interesting policy. It hasn't worked for the last 50 years, but maybe this will be the year.

No sympathy for drug users here. Addiction is not a disease, that's the biggest joke ever. Cancer is a disease, nobody can wake up one day and decide they're going to quit having cancer. People quit cigarettes/alcohol/drugs cold turkey all the time.

Ok, thanks for your medical insight Dr. Loosegoose.

Free needles here as well.

Well that approach sure isn't working either. Complete fail.

I could care less if you think you're life should be spent as a junkie. Up to you....but the junkie isn't paying for his dope, trips to the ER, Ambulance call outs, hospital care, Rehab (for the 13th time), etc, etc etc. That I have a problem with.

And make no mistake HERE no addict is doing any jail time. NONE. Even the hardcore dealers know they just have to claim "addict status" if they get caught and the judge sentences them to tax payer funded rehab. Everyone is a victim here.

So work to end government involvement in healthcare, and find healthcare insurance and a doctor who will not share the risk pool with addicts. If there is a market demand for that lower risk healthcare a doctor will fill it. As it is now, there is no free market in healthcare. What ever happened to ending Obamacare? Hear nary a thing about that now.

Yep spending billions on those that will never pay a dime and care less is somehow not (decoupling health care) in any way? really Pretty sure the people paying the healthcare costs and the taxes sure can feel the sting! Any uninsured person can walk in a hospital and get what they need but a lot of people with coverage can't do the same for the high cost of deductibles. Tell me how well it's turning out for everyone but the abusers. LOL just that one dimensional thinking again buddy! LOL

Walk in a neighborhood bar and do a survey of the people smoking and drinking and see how many have insurance I think that would be interesting to look into. I bet asking them if they care that they drink and smoke cost others a lot in the long run might be interesting too!

don't hear about a lot of stuff anymore. local control of schools, legal carry nation wide, balanced budget, smaller government come to mind along with repealing obama care

This brings up another point I have been thinking about. Doctor licensing and the oath they take to treat anyone and everyone regardless of the ability or notion to pay the bill. So, because of their ethical conviction, the cost of the deadbeats is spread out to others. As far as I know, this is a fact. So, why do we as a government mandate the doctors obtain licensing, and demand that they have this oath of ethics? I could care less about the doctors ethics. I would like to pay for the services rendered to me, and if his ethics demand that be treat others for free, the charity can come from his.own heart and wallet.

I agree jerry. time to end socialism. no welfare. for anybody.

It's like a dog with a big litter sucking then it depends what end of the teat your on after a while! LOL

Well, the opportunity is ripe to make some moves on a national level in regards to many of these socialistic attitudes, but I don't hear any moves being made. I do hear about going to a bar and looking what another man is doing and wondering how it will affect my pocketbook.

You will be stabilized and then be moved to a welfare (State run or contracted hospital) never seen dead bodies outside of a hospital in all my years! LOL Oh the drama the mind can create!

The one I dealt with last night was given outstanding treatment and better care then I have ever received with no cost spared that including a expense transfer for better free care that they will never ever pay for.

Looks a little different from this side of the teat!

your side of the teat is you earn your money. le I don't mind paying taxes for

Life would be good if you never had to leave the porch and deal with life everyday and getting paid to do that would be even better! LOL People are a strange critter for sure.

Amazing how the money spent on the "war on drugs" is all wasted but the that spent on the ones using drugs is somehow a investment the future??? Just don't see it, I guess offering help is one thing enabling a human is another thing but where do you draw the line is the question, heck if I know.

It's the end of the world as we know it!

I don't think we ought to spend money on addicts either. They will either clean up or die. I really seriously doubt there is anything anyone can do for them. They have to decide for themselves. Drugs were made illegal because using causes misery. There is no denying that. I think its time to call the experiment for criminalizing them a failure though and move on.

Not the end but the next 10 years will be interesting when the drug epidemic meets the safe space crowd I cannot imagine the drain on social services and what the environment it will create when the systems are overwhelmed, I can see many folks walking away from careers to keep their own sanity when the hopelessness comes about!

What I don't understand about those " Safe injection sites", is that they have people go there to shoot up their Heroin, and they have the POLICE there to keep a watch over things. Well, wouldn't the possession of those drugs be enough to justify an arrest ? Why can't they make the addicts cough up their Drug Dealer ? On the one hand , the Police are supposed to enforce the law, and on the other hand, the Police stand outside those Safe Injection Sites while the Addicts are getting high on illegal drugs ?? How does that make any sense ?

FlynFinn I'm no doctor, but I play one on T.V:) Seriously, though, I speak from personal experience. My own step father was a meth addict and a scum bag his whole life. In and out of prison, terrorizing our family and beating the snot out of my mother anytime he was out. Nobody ever made him stick a needle in his arm, he chose it over us. I understand the reason people say it's a disease, the basic idea is that the drug changes the thought patterns of the brain. But nobody ever made my step father choose to stick a needle in his arm, the first time he ever did it, he wasn't addicted. He made that choice all on his own. The last time he was in prison, he was in for seven years. He was clean and free of addiction when he got out, but what did he do? He went right down to his dealer and stuck a needle in his arm.

Just another sanctuary stance from the powers above the Cops would like nothing more then to be allowed to do their jobs, I doubt they use on the spot anyways it's kind of like a condom handout here ya go but you gotta go to use it! LOL

Liberals 'solutions' are not supposed to make common sense..

Legalize all drugs and end welfare.

Yeah it might hurt for a while, but we would save a lot of money in the long run.

They started that here a couple of years ago due to the spreading of HIV. I always tell people they should just hang the drug dealers. Scott County Indiana is the biggest drug capital in the state and the kids suffer.

I am okay with giving addicts needles if they in exchange give up the right to have children.

Keith

Really, Danny?

There is so much going on in this post I don't know where to start. But guess I will start with lawdog, since his posts caught my attention the most.



It sounds as if lawdog is viewing this situation only through Cop eyes....or more specifically, regional cop eyes. I'd be curious to see the % of addicts that were "raised on aid his whole life" versus those that never received a drop of aid. If we were talking crack cocaine, he'd likely be correct, but this post was about heroin, and I'd bet that number would be less than 25%. Likely far less. Heroin is not a ghetto drug. But it seems most of Lawdog's experience is with ghetto folks.




So you think a person suffering from depression due to a loss of a loved one, or a soldier that just got back from the sandbox.... should have no control over their own lives and the medications prescribed to them? Does volunteering your life to your country come with an attached caveat that once you've served your duty you must acquiesce to whatever cops in SD feel is best for you?

YES.... any addict I ever knew would have RAN to the next room for a clean needle. Most addicts are NOT morons.... I expect most addicts are smarter than you.... judging solely from your posts tonight.



Well, I paid weekly into a health insurance plan I never once used for nearly 20 years. Who's healthcare was I paying for... because it wasn't mine! Care to tell me why a person with health care can not be treated at a hospital????? 3 months ago I was in one, and it was 3 days before they even asked me if I had insurance..... I didn't have health care... and now have reasonable bills. But if I had had healthcare... I'd (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) sure hope they'd have stabilized me in the 3 days it took to find out whether or not I did.

I think people that might be sick from being an alcoholic, may need some free help also. Probably a lot more alcohol related addicts than Heroin addicts. I have seen a lot more alcohol dependence than I have Heroin or Crank or Cocaine in my life.

Alcohol is one of the very few drugs where quitting cold turkey after a long period of heavy addiction can prove fatal.

Yes really Ang. If an addict decides to get sober, giving some rehab aid makes sense. Forcing them to get sober through incarceration doesn't work. First off there is that whole profit thing. They manage to get high in prison also. At least occasionally.

Coming into Lansing on hwy 7 from KC you will see a big billboard advertising for correctional officers. Starting pay is 15 an hour. 25 miles S. W. at Edgerton is an intermodal where warehouse people are being started at 18-20. More signs. Wonder who is bringing drugs into our prisons?

Meanwhile in spite of all the tax dollars, the addict gets released and two hours later he is high again. So he fails the urine test his P.O. gives him and goes back to prison. Eventually all his time is served and he is just released unsupervised. COMPLETE waste of tax dollars.

I didn't know this - how so?

In addition to general withdrawal symptoms, alcohol withdrawal symptoms can include: heart palpitations, hallucinations, seizures and delirium tremens (DT's). The seizures and the DT's can be fatal.

Withdrawal from benzodiazepine drugs like Xanax and Valium can also be fatal.

trapdog, treatment for alcohol withdrawal is often ethanol introduced intravenously. cold turkey can shut down organs

lol,,great..pump them full of gasoline!!!

Or the one you narcan and save, then they walk out of the ER AMA just to be found in the parking lot face down. NARCAN wears off before the opiates do! lol - opiates stores and released out the liver got him.

There aren't any answers I don't think cause society isn't going to let people die or turn them away from care. if I am called they get treated --

Only answer I can think of is we start executing drug dealers, that would put a hamper on it, not end it but you would see it curbed! China does this, why cant we? oh yeah because we are a society that grew up on disney movies, and emotions, we have this crazy belief that the world can live in peace and harmony, love your fellow human type stuff. As a society we have grown way soft, liberalism progressive whatever -- to a point we hand out free needles to drug addicts - -

Wow. I knew about the general withdrawal. Is the rest of that common, or mostly in extreme cases?

if we execute drug dealers we need to start with the unbelievably rich heads of criminal organizations, then elected officials, then judges, then law enforcement mixed up in the drug trade before we start executing addicts paying for their habit which is 99.9% of "dealers" in U. S. prisons.

also many of the crimes committed that go along with dopers-burglary, thefts, etc. cause lord knows they are too disabled to get a job

The seizures and DT's are common. Dying from those symptoms is less common but happens enough to warrant medical assistance and supervision.

P.S. ethanol isn't gasoline. its grain alcohol. like everclear.

Exactly

Alcohol is very bad I have seen some crazy stuff one guy said the bugs were lifting the paint off of the floor then 10 minutes later said he knew that was not possible then 10 minutes later they were doing it again. The guy functioned at above 3.0 level daily it only seemed to impair his fine motor skills (he could walk a straight line OK but the turns were rough).


About anything can happen during DTs, druggers have similar issued they will tear their skin off if you let them or smash their own heads into a wall that's when a restraint chair is needed.


Guys like that you take up for a shot that helps them from doing anything really stupid.

it was a joke ,but it is an additive in gasoline

Your taking it the other way Angie you tell me you don't know people that have lived off or the system their whole life that are dependent on the system that came from the same and will continue the produce the same? Really The cities are full of them. Come on your from IL too you cannot be serious!

Have not used your insurance in 20 years is that because you have been that healthy or not willing to pay the deductible that was the point I was making. It cost me $3,000 for my deductible my relative on aid who's husband won't better his life for fear of losing the free money that lives off of the Sister in law can walk into the ER like a Dr. Visit that insured people have to pay for because she won't better her life. Not looking at it as a Cop looking at it as a guy that works and pays his taxes I just see the waste more then the people that don't want to see it. Your paying your bill the point was many never plan to pay and the ones that will pay are not the problem. It often comes down to if you have nothing to lose and you don't pay what can they take!

As far as the needle hand out or letting people with behavioral issue medicate themselves that a responsibility that many cannot handle on their own it's ripe for abuse. You really think to get high a user won't share a needle and I can't tell you how many people that are acting out are "off their meds". Can't tell you how many people want their meds and when they are being entered into the system only the feel good meds are important the ones for their health are often full and sometimes expired even but the feel good are needed like clock work and more if they can get them any way they can.

You keep making the abuser a victim no problem but don't get upset with me when I point out the reality of how the system works later on that is what I see every day. You see it as they have no choice I see it as a self induced problem and the results of that choice. I don't ignore your side (I may not understand it I already admitted that) people have problem and I treat them well, but I know how it works on my end the "down stream" results is all I'm pointing out you can't just ignore that because you don't like it. You never see me use the word all unless I make that mistake as people are individuals that make their own choices some better then others.

I'd have to mostly disagree with this too. I've never met a dealer of hard drugs, that did the drugs he sold. Weed...yes. Crack, coke, smack.... no. They tend to live in suburbia, with white picket fences, 2.5 kids, and a dog.

I think the major exception to that is meth. Meth heads seem to sell meth. Coke, crack and heroin heads rarely sell the drug they're addicted to.

i dont know those ppl..usually meet them by accident without knowing,,i dont even hang with drinkers....ick

The overall rate of people suffering from addiction has not fallen since the war on drugs began. It has been a big government policy of failure. However, now their are parasites within government who know their continued employment depends upon the arrest, prosecution, detention and 'rehabilitation' of drug users and they refuse to admit the policy of failure.
The associated crimes of theft, burglary, robbery and even murder by drug users is in part due to the black market surrounding drugs. The risks of life from agents of government and the false scarcity of product raise prices. It's not rocket science. It will take a great shift from the idea that whatever I don't like should be illegal towards whatever I don't like should be mitigated by doing things that I have some control over.

A profit from people that don't have a pot to pee in really! Treatment, jail, lawyers, medical care cost the abuser pays nothing! The best they can do is put a lean on their property for legal fees but they have little to no property so the County/State eats that bill.


The cost of a murder trail alone can cripple a small County and the accused won't pay a penny!

I agree,Lawdog. The taxpayers suffer for poor policy. Change the policy.

I don't think the percentage of people addicted to drugs and/or alcohol has ever changed much throughout history. Demographics change but there's always going to be a percentage of any population that is, for whatever reasons, going to be predisposed to addiction to mood-altering drugs, including alcohol.

Religions and governments have been trying to stop drug and alcohol abuse for centuries with little or no success.

Until you spend several hours sitting a few feet from a 2 year old that was kicked to death to preserve the chain of custody until the State DCI shows up then see the photos being taken of a child bruised head to toe. You will never understand the real victims.

The ironic part is the child killed that his mother had this child in custody also and is in prison for abusing the kids of the first mother, so this child was the child of the 2nd woman he hooked up with and she had the her own child before the 3rd woman went to the pen continuing the cycle. Guess were that 2nd child will end up when it gets out of the hospital!

When you find the parents of a young child wasted at 3 in the afternoon and that kid has not been fed for 3 days and the mothers only concern is to get possession for the drugs in the house before we find them it's hard to see them as a victim in those cases. A bug filled house with no sink even in the kitchen to wash dishes the same people that think they are a victim and smile as the get a PR bond like they are winning like Charlie Sheen!


What I see and what you see are not the same thing often !

It isn't a matter of perception, or what circumstances one sees. It is a matter of realizing what government policies have been put in place that are causing more harm than good and working to change them. There is no shortage of absolutely criminal policies that were enacted with the best of intentions. The problem is government policy isn't judged by outcomes, but by intentions.

That is my perception. Criminalizing drug use has made societal problems worse.

Your in such a hurry to blame the Government that you are so bias about you might be missing the other points being made the same programs do help some and keep many alive but if they won't help themselves what it the alternative I'd like to hear it!


You see the happy drunk and I see his wife after he gets home and works her over, 2 different views of the same person sometimes!

I believe in limited government. The feds have no business in healthcare, rehab or outlawing drugs. States have the right to, I suppose, attempt to do these things. However, a 50 year experiment with government of all levels meddling in this issue leads me to believe they are a lot more of the problem than the solution. Sure, there are some aspects of some programs that do provide a service. The cost of those services is high due to government inefficientcy and incompetence and would be much better provided by private charity and private business. The government meddling blocks these private charities from doing well.

The honest are sucking the hind teat.

Interfering with a persons death wish should be illegal.

Most addicts and alcoholics don't have a death wish. Most wish for the next drink or high. Many wish to get sober/straight but don't have the means to do it.

Legalized drugs would mean more addicts which would be more problems that come with drug abuse.

Do you think that there a higher percentage of alcoholism today compared to Prohibition?

yes sir how many people do you know that want to smoke meth but don't because its illegal?

The problem starts before meth Danny. Better question would be how many would smoke weed if it was legal.

anybody that wants to smoke marijuana already is too. though I cant see what one has to do with the other. its probably beer that's the gateway drug. most people drink alcohol first

From what I have heard legalization of weed in Colorado has caused more problems than it has fixed.

From what I have read of the legalization of pot in CO those biggest complainers are those who see a continuation or worsening of the black market. This, in my opinion, is due to liberals love affair with taxes. Their big dreams of funding the government on the back of a plant were not realized. They created a bureaucratic rats nest of licensing, taxes, ECT ECT. It should be no surprise that people side step these inconveniences.

Your exactly right Finn. Untaxed marijuana is very popular. Reminds me of the love affair many have with untaxed whiskey. The upside is many people are obeying the law and paying the tax. A lot of the homeless that migrated in for the dope are leaving CO now that its legal in CA. No hard winters in SOCAL

Opiod overdoses lessened after weed legalization, so that's something.

Have guys come in on Sat night acting like a fool don't care about anything then but the next day they are sorry, feel bad and won't do it again and the next weekend here they are again doing and feeling the same way. After several yeas of this on and off it gets old as nothing changes in the end for some. Seen a lot of guys in their 40 and 50s get buried before their time, seen a lot of young girls that had the world for the taking that settled for nothing for the free drugs.

When you hear, "at least I did not kill anybody yet" is that really argument for their actions. LOL The thing is that person could cause 10 accidents bouncing off everyone's cars, knowk down light poles ram police vehicles, stay in jail/prison, get a lawyer and be fined and never pay a dime of it in the end. All consumption and no production year after year how do you deal with people that care about nothing not even family?

you don't deal with them law dog. you let them destroy their selves

That would be the Judges Danny that tell them multiple times them they, "better not come before them again!" and nothing happens when they do! LOL We just follow the statutes when they meet the standards the rest is up to the Courts not us.

The problem is they don't just destroy themselves,they take a lot of people with them. New born's that are addicted, theft would skyrocket. Every government freebie program that exist's would be depleted, social security sucks now can you imagine how many junkies would apply for,and get, ssn due to there addiction. The penalties need to be enforced to the max, it may cost more for prisons but were paying for it now anyway. The up side would be if there locked up maybe my family and property would be a little bit safer.

Another down fall is look at how children are raised now can you imagine how society would be 20 years from now, it'd be a frick'in cheech and chong movie.

I do agree that the government interferes to much but,in my opinion,not enough as far as drugs go.

Jailers and Correction Officers will be hard to find in the future with what they will need to deal with and the pay sucks the ones you attract might be the ones you don't want for the job! The days of Odis the town drunk are long past and the things you can catch today don't make it worth it the risks.


I can see long lock downs from a central pod controlling what they can with the lack of help and budgets they will have to get by with. Brave new world ahead!

The 'land of the free' already has the world's highest incarceration rate. But, hey, let's throw a few million into the gulag.

Some are safer there then out there hurting others and themselves and that's just a fact sad to say! Free works well if your not racking up victims at every move innocent people have lives to enjoy also!

Those crimes where there is a demonstrable victim need to be punished.

It is tough to know the amount of crime where there is a victim is due in whole to the fact of drugs being illegal and the hidden affects of that. I am willing to find out by legalization.

We have the highest incarceration rate because most countries execute there problems and don't continue to babysit an adult through life.

That is patently false. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country

You can have one or the other either one but not both you can keep people safe and separate the problems or deal with the dangers they pose to the public I never was a fan of free ranging people making high risk mistake that can harm others. The free ranging idea sounds great in theory but the you don't get good outcomes from the bad actions of others never have.


General statements with zero real life applications or any better plans is just lip service, come up with a plan I'd be interested.

I have made no general statements. I have said several times to work to discouple healthcare from government and to legalize drugs. That is about as specific as it can get.
It sounds as though you believe it is government's job to prevent crime by 'free ranging people', while I believe it's sole job in the area of public safety is to punish criminals where there is a demonstrable victim.

So glad I started this. LOL

But as for the war on drugs, It started with cocaine. It slowed down. Meth, not the main story. Now its cheap heroin. But what galls me is 95% of the over doses they report in the news is heroin but the media ALWAYS quotes stats about pill prescriptions !!!

Not related though

Ya,I'm sure it was just a freakish coincidence.

We have the highest incarceration rate because most countries execute there problems and don't continue to babysit an adult through life. [/quote]
That is patently false. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country


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Finn, stats can be adjusted and normally are to suit the individuals cause and we all know wikipedia is considered a good guess. But lets say all the info in wikipedia is accurate some of these countries the individuals don't get a court date if you know what I mean.

I also believe that after you spend time in some foreign prison systems you won't be a repeat offender due to the lack of fun.

Danny theft would absolutely increase there's no way around it. If your hooked on heroin, meth what ever eventually you won't be able to work and your going to have to get it some how. Not sure where your going with some of your other post. I know back in the day a lot of over the counter products had small amounts of opiates in them. Maybe that was the reason for not kicking the habit while locked up. I'm sure back then there was no rehab in the prison system.

Danny and Finn, I retired from law enforcement in 2011. The things I saw while someone was under the influence of drugs or alcohol were horrible. I once saw a guy walking around with a deceased infant,he murdered, looking for a garbage dumpster to dispose of the child and yes he was under the influence of drugs.

I used to talk with some of the older guys I arrested and I asked them how they got started on "hard" drugs and most of them told me they were at a party and their friend had some weed. I would say 80% percent told me that same story. I realize smoking weed doesn't make you a killer or a thief or three quarters of America would be in prison but it was the beginning of the end for the ones riding with me.

I'm against legalizing marijuana for recreational use. We have alcohol and legal prescription drugs and look at the problems they cause. Marijuana will just add to the list.

Surrendering to legalization of drugs will kill this country quicker than the liberals ever thought of.

Is murder going to be okay then? We can't stop it and it's been going on for ever. How about rape? Where do we draw the line? I wish the government would jump in with both feet to fight it but like everything else they do it's a mess.

World peace would help so much what ya got on that? LOL Saying everyone's doing it so wrong and not saying what's a better way seems like a easy task. Right up there with unicorn nuisance control! LOL Come on what your better plan interested in that reply really what's a viable plan to do it better?

Koss, I am not interested in what you're peddling. It seems you want the USA to go the way of these other countries who you claim under report their 'capital punishment' by having extra judicial state murders without the hassle of providing a day in court. That isn't going to happen here.
Lawdog, after repeated attempts to explain my position to you, it seems you are incapable of accepting the idea of limiting government as a viable solution and call it unicorn nuisance control. I am thinking you are not interested in lessening the problem of addiction in society and are more about buttressing your position as a man who is 'tough on crime'.

Koss, I , too, retired from law enforcement. I’m proud to say that I learned a lot . For example, I learned that drug enforcement is nothing more than an income generator be it in the form of seizures or money paid out by the DEA for agencies that participate in cannabis eradication operations. I’m tired of seeing it and begin advocating for changes in policy with regards to it .

I’m also proud to say I’ve studied history and know prohibition is a policy that’s always destined to fail . Just because it’s enacted doesn’t make it a successful plan .

Finn, I wasn't peddling anything I was sharing some of my experiences with you. I don't know if you get out of Minnesota much but I have been to some of these other "countries" and these things do go on.

I guess you missed the first part where I said stats can be adjusted that's by EVERY country! And how you pulled out the I want the USA to "go the way of these other countries" is beyond me.

I don't think anyone can have a logical conversation with you once the word, government comes up.

Adios from New Mexico Mr. Finn!

Aaron, so the feds suck,I agree with that. Are you saying legalize drugs?

Yes sir , I am .

All drugs?

I’m afraid so . I don’t shoot heroin, smoke meth or crack, snort coke ( couldn’t afford it anyway), huff inhalants , etc.,etc.. Not because it’s illegal, but because of the destruction. I think that’s true of the vast majority of the population. Drug access is too easy now to suggest that something such as legality stands in the way of using . One of the reasons heroin has become so common is because it’s so much easier to get than the Rx opioids that many junkies first got hooked on .

Brings me to my next point . You mentioned addicts saying it all started with weed at a party . I’d counter with it all began with a Dr’s visit.

Aaron, You said you ,"couldn't afford it anyway" that's one of the issue's. I know you were kidding about your using it but what happens when they can't afford it and there not kidding? They will come up with the money one way or another.

I agree with you about the destruction, hence it being illegal.

I also agree with you about the feds it's a paper game to them, a stat for the boss. It's generally not their community there fighting for. I could tell you numerous fed stories and I tried my best to stay away from them but they would show up any way. But I won't quit because my team members suck.

As I mentioned about the weed it's not big on my agenda as it's not addictive. Not trying to be a smart a-- Aaron you can counter
with the Dr's visit but those were there answer's not mine. Back then the thugs didn't go to the Dr's unless they were shot,stabbed or beaten severly. LOL

Aaron your the first retire LEO that I've heard say to legalize all drugs,I've heard several that don't really care about weed.

I find your view interesting. If I have offended you that is not my intention

Nope. Not offended at all, sir .

Last few major meth cooks I dealt with said they were going to get out of the cooking business. Said they couldn’t compete with what’s coming up from Mexico.

However, they said they were simply changing up their product. Opioids. Reason being is cause it knows no demographic boundaries. And all they have to do is wait for Rx is to dry up . New customer. Secondly, meth heads eventually turn to it as a way to deal with the pain years of abuse have taken on their bodies.

Drug enforcement is just a big hole we keep throwing treasure into .

LOL So if everyone else has it wrong then what changes to corrections should be made then is what I was asking, turn it all into what you want just wondering what the proper approaches to take a "bite out crime you might" of had in mind is all! Never said anything about tough on crime it's just what I run into every day is all it's what I see and deal with not the stuff you make up, run down and play games with. Simple question if there was just a little bit of thought put behind it that would be informative maybe. The routine blanket "Big Government" line is a cop out it sounds like what's a better plan simple and fair question!

Lawdog,I cannot make it anymore simple for you. Legalization of recreational drugs by repeal of existing drug laws. When you ask me what changes to corrections should be made, I feel I am not understanding what you are asking me.
If by corrections you mean jails, prisons, and parole, well, my answer of repealing the laws criminalizing drug use are self explanatory in that regard.
I do not purport that my plan of legalization would stop all crime, or that people would use less drugs than they do now. Maybe they would?

Can’t we all just enjoy a little skunky bud , watch some Portlandia , and get along ?

Your retirement sounds stress free Aaron.

You have no idea , my friend .

I think it cured my bunions and lazy eye .

I know when I'm trying to do something and my plan doesn't work, I don't keep doing the same thing hoping for a different result.

States that have reduced gun control have seen a decrease in theft assault and murder. So I'd say the policy of people arming themselves is working. States that have doubled down on gun control have seen an increase. The places no one wants to visit keep passing more control laws.


drug laws are no different

Freedom is scary and messy. It is what built this country however. A handful of people turned a wilderness into the richest, strongest most wonderful country on Earth because they were FREE to do so. There was and will be a lot of ugliness. Nothing is perfect.

As we continue to look for government to provide instead of the self reliance that built our country, we keep slipping in the standings. Slipping in live babies being born (not referring to abortion here) slipping in the education of our children, slipping in our ability to produce, more prisoners per capita that any other first world country on the planet.

Freedom. Its what will bring us back.