Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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From what I saw the guy pushes the shooter pretty hard and the shooter falls backward onto the pavement. Then the person who did the pushing backs up....was not advancing on the man on the ground.
Big size and age disparity...benefits the pusher.
Older man on the pavement in a very bad position to defend himself if the younger/larger man advances on him.
Woman also gets out of the vehicle as this was happening.
Seems to me the pusher had no intention of doing more...but I can understand the man on the ground feeling threatened/at a disadvantage...he sure does not get up fast at all...almost like he could not get up easily.
I guess if the guy did not push him he would not have been shot?
I guess if the shooter did not decide to verbally enforce the parking laws he would not have been pushed to the ground?
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Several have stated the victim that was shot was defending the person or the persons in the car or said the shooter was assaulting the people in the car. I didn't see the shooter assualt anyone in the car therefore the man that got shot couldn't have been justifiably defending anyone when he assualt the the guy that ended up doing the shooting. Do I agree with the shooting? Absolutely not. To guys acted stupidly out of anger and one guy died because of it. When you use physical violence upon another person most times they other person is going to get mad. Both guys acted irresponsible here. Under law was the shooting legal? I don't know the laws under which it happened so I can't say. Again I completely don't agree with the shooting based off the video information. Under Florida law, the shooter could have been charged with assault. The state of Florida's definition of assault differs from yours. Florida's definition is what matters in this case. http://www.husseinandwebber.com/crimes/violent-crimes/simple-assault/Keith
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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08/01/18 11:53 PM
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Physically assault the right person and you end up dead just like in the video. X2 and most times it's NOT justified, so keep that in mind before you assualt someone.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Yes sir
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Several have stated the victim that was shot was defending the person or the persons in the car or said the shooter was assaulting the people in the car. I didn't see the shooter assualt anyone in the car therefore the man that got shot couldn't have been justifiably defending anyone when he assualt the the guy that ended up doing the shooting. Do I agree with the shooting? Absolutely not. To guys acted stupidly out of anger and one guy died because of it. When you use physical violence upon another person most times they other person is going to get mad. Both guys acted irresponsible here. Under law was the shooting legal? I don't know the laws under which it happened so I can't say. Again I completely don't agree with the shooting based off the video information. Under Florida law, the shooter could have been charged with assault. The state of Florida's definition of assault differs from yours. Florida's definition is what matters in this case. http://www.husseinandwebber.com/crimes/violent-crimes/simple-assault/Keith how do you know he intentionally made a threat to her to create fear? Maybe he did but you can't see that in the video.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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This is weird one and I guess it's because both of these people acted like idiots. This never had to happen. The guy could have either minded his own beeswax with the lady in the spot of called the police. Then the guy coming out of the store over reacted and was overly aggressive which made the shooter over react by pulling the trigger. Like I said before, I think he had a right to draw but when the victim backed off, that should have ended it. Personally, just by watching the video, I think the guy that was pushed lost his cool and pulled the trigger.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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I don't know your wife or kid, but I know mine,,, and I KNOW neither of them would do anything to instigate such an attack. Maybe you are more level headed than me.
Of course you don't know what he was saying and in what tone of voice. What if he was shouting profanity, racial slurs, threats, when you can out of the store??? Still not really a reason to start a physical confrontation. Words are just words and can be deescalated by simply leaving. When you get physical, you take it to the next level and it's not going to turn out well for you in most cases.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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This is weird one and I guess it's because both of these people acted like idiots. This never had to happen. The guy could have either minded his own beeswax with the lady in the spot of called the police. Then the guy coming out of the store over reacted and was overly aggressive which made the shooter over react by pulling the trigger. Like I said before, I think he had a right to draw but when the victim backed off, that should have ended it. Personally, just by watching the video, I think the guy that was pushed lost his cool and pulled the trigger. Based on the video only, I agree and I don't see how anyone could see it differently, but obviously they do.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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I don't know your wife or kid, but I know mine,,, and I KNOW neither of them would do anything to instigate such an attack. Maybe you are more level headed than me.
Of course you don't know what he was saying and in what tone of voice. What if he was shouting profanity, racial slurs, threats, when you can out of the store??? Still not really a reason to start a physical confrontation. Words are just words and can be deescalated by simply leaving. When you get physical, you take it to the next level and it's not going to turn out well for you in most cases. Agreed.... But it would be hard to not shove someone away from family that was treating them in the way it "appears" this guy was.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Well, the entire shooting could have been avoided from the get go and even a few times after that. I think the shooter takes the blame for the entire incident even happening. If he was that worried about someone parked in a handicap spot, he should have called or flagged down a cop. When you are armed, you want to avoid confrontation not initiate it. I don't like to blame the shooter but from what is seen here, wrong is wrong. Agree. This holier than thou, nosey pos should have minded his own business. He should have taken getting his old, fat arse on the ground as a lesson to mind his own business. He was harassing the lady in the car with her kid, for no reason. Then he got pushed down as he should have. But since he’s stupid, old and has low self esteem and confidence he has to shoot someone??? He should be in jail and paying bubba with ......... In no way was this guys life in danger nor was deadly force warranted. Had the boyfriend started beating him like Rodney king, fire away. Starting trouble and writing a check your arse can’t cash isn’t justifiable.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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how do you know he intentionally made a threat to her to create fear? Maybe he did but you can't see that in the video. There is is enough evidence in the video to charge him. It's possible that a jury may disagree with the charge. Charging someone with a crime is different then convicting them. Keith
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Yes sir
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Huperest Unless you were there or heard audio of this incident you are making an assumption that he was harassing the lady.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Huperest Unless you were there or heard audio of this incident you are making an assumption that he was harassing the lady. So what do you think he was doing?? Inviting her to church? Maybe commenting on how nice she looked or asking for directions? Yes, I assume based on his actions, motions and posture he was yelling at, confronting or otherwise harassing whoever was in the car, you assumed it was a lady, even though we aren’t sure. 🙄.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Just don't park in a disabled parking spot unless you have the right. Lawbreaker right there.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Keith I disagree. According to the link you posted someone must intentionally make a verbal or physical action with the intent to create fear to be a simple assualt. I don't think pointing a finger and bobbing your head meets those grounds and that's all I could get from the video. The shooter appears to be intentionally trying to scare the woman into never parking in a handicapped space again, thus intentionally causing fear. I think the assault case would stick, but that would be for a jury or judge to decide, if the shooter waived his right to a trial by jury. Keith
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