Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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The shooter didn't mean to shoot the guy.After being violently shoved,his hands were shaking from fright while he was holding the man at bey and the gun accidentally discharged one single round while shaking in fear. If he was shooting on purpose he would have emptied his clip into the bully criminal.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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The shooter didn't mean to shoot the guy.After being violently shoved,his hands were shaking from fright while he was holding the man at bey and the gun accidentally discharged one single round while shaking in fear. If he was shooting on purpose he would have emptied his clip into the bully criminal. I disagree. He simply got himself in a situation that he was not mentally prepared for going around acting like authority. He should stay home and take up computer golf.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Accidental stand your ground shooting-Guaranteed Acquittal.Thats why no wasted taxdollars on prosecution.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Accidental stand your ground shooting-Guaranteed Acquittal.Thats why no wasted taxdollars on prosecution. Very good point. Florida laws are very open the way it sounds. I do like the narrative the guy did in the video. He kept neutral and gave both sides a factor. This video will probably become a teaching lesson in carrying class.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Accidental stand your ground shooting-Guaranteed Acquittal.Thats why no wasted taxdollars on prosecution. Please explain how stand your ground is even an actual factor in this case. Or are you just trolling? With regard to basic self defense, wouldn't one need to either 1) been suffering a felony assault, or 2) been at least threatened with a deadly weapon, before they have a reasonable fear for their life? Can you articulate either of those factors as it pertains to this case Boco? No weapon, no felony assault = bad shoot.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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The shooter didn't mean to shoot the guy.After being violently shoved,his hands were shaking from fright while he was holding the man at bey and the gun accidentally discharged one single round while shaking in fear. If he was shooting on purpose he would have emptied his clip into the bully criminal. then he should have his right to have firearms taken away, since he obviously isn't mentally capable of it. He also has no gun safety, or trigger awareness. nothing about that was accidental. you can see that when he draws the gun, pauses, and then still shoots the guy as he was backing up, then kept it pointed at him.... the act of drawing and pointing the firearm already had the dead guy backing up.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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This whole stupid fest would have never happened had the entitlement mentality gal parked legally. Think about that. That's what started this whole chain of ignorance. Right/wrong on the parking is a complete non-issue in the shooting. Somebody parked illegally is rationale to a shooting? Jeez... You need to read what I wrote again, real, real, slow. Her illegal parking is exactly what started this whole chain of events. If she wouldn't have parked illegally none of this would have started. The guy wouldn't have been arguing with her, her boy friend wouldn't have knocked the guy down and the shooter wouldn't have shot him. I'd say parking is a big issue in the shooting, her feeling entitled to park where ever she wants in order to save a few steps. Nowhere did I say that was sufficient rationale to shoot anyone, nowhere. What I said was, that started the interaction between 3 stupid people, and one ended up dead.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Right/wrong on the parking is a complete non-issue in the shooting. Somebody parked illegally is rationale to a shooting? Jeez...
You need to read what I wrote again, real, real, slow. Her illegal parking is exactly what started this whole chain of events. If she wouldn't have parked illegally none of this would have started. The guy wouldn't have been arguing with her, her boy friend wouldn't have knocked the guy down and the shooter wouldn't have shot him. I'd say parking is a big issue in the shooting, her feeling entitled to park where ever she wants in order to save a few steps. Nowhere did I say that was sufficient rationale to shoot anyone, nowhere. What I said was, that started the interaction between 3 stupid people, and one ended up dead. Since it has no bearing on the whether or not the shoot was good, it is a moot point, a red herring, a bright shiny object that captures the attention of those to obtuse to discern the pertinent issues. Your if/then statement indicates that you are focused on the bright shiny object ("real, real, slow"...lol).
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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You need to read what I wrote again, real, real, slow. Her illegal parking is exactly what started this whole chain of events. If she wouldn't have parked illegally none of this would have started. The guy wouldn't have been arguing with her, her boy friend wouldn't have knocked the guy down and the shooter wouldn't have shot him. I'd say parking is a big issue in the shooting, her feeling entitled to park where ever she wants in order to save a few steps.
Nowhere did I say that was sufficient rationale to shoot anyone, nowhere. What I said was, that started the interaction between 3 stupid people, and one ended up dead.
I suppose if you boil it down and try to find a beginning cause, you would be correct. However, I disagree with this assessment. I believe the guy should have never confronted her to begin with. Again, he was armed and therefore should have avoided initiating any confrontation. Call the police. That's one of the reasons we pay them. The guy should have confirmed the lady was parked illegally and let the proper authorities handle it. He wanted to play cop.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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...what caliber do y’all reckon that was ? ...looked like that biggin was going to just walk it off there for a second
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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...what caliber do y’all reckon that was ? ...looked like that biggin was going to just walk it off there for a second I'm thinking not very large. There was no shock affect, the guy just walked off. Now obviously it depends where he was hit but still..... I'm thinking .380 or .38
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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If that guy was huntin illegal handicapped spot parkers I bet he had a .45 at least....maybe more.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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Depends on wether it was open season or depredation only...I can’t speak for Florida , but judging from all the controversy...I’d say it was an outside of open season offense
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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I heard he is a combat wounded/decorated vet who was tired of thugs always parking in the only handicapped spot at that store.
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Re: Very "iffy" CCW shooting.
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A felonious assault as defined by FL law is one with a weapon, sex assault, or inflicting serious injury. How does this assault fit into that category?
When the assailant started moving backward, the assault was over...whether or not the gun had already been pulled. If the assailant had a deadly weapon in his hand, that changes the entire analysis. But he didn't.
The decision is the prosecutors and apparently he abdicated. However, even if the charge wouldn't have been indicted by grand jury, it still deserves to be front of them for decision. One problem with your take is would he have started to back away if the guy hadn't had a gun??? You guys need to think about that . As for the black guy having a deadly weapon that has no bearing on CCW laws. I think it reads if you are in imminent danger. NO mention that how or what is causing the danger
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