Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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Please excuse my ignorance,but what is FASD ? Tom
If my feet aren't wet,I must not be trapping. Tom Olson MTA life member#100,also WTA life member
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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08/11/18 12:52 AM
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I think it's Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
When life gets me down..... you know hunting/trapping season is closed.
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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08/11/18 12:56 AM
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My best advice is- teach as much as you can, stay patient, and bring snacks and something for him to do when he loses interest. If he doesn't take to trapping now, maybe he will in the future. KEEP IT FUN! And most importantly- enjoy the time with your son.
When life gets me down..... you know hunting/trapping season is closed.
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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08/11/18 01:15 AM
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Yoteboy, I have a 12 year old son who is in his 10th year of remission. He had a brain tumor when he was 9 months old, and another one 13 months after that. His disabilities are all physical, and balance is the one that he has the most trouble with. He has been trapping with me for several years now, and some years he shows a ton of interest, and some years not so much. Last season was the coldest one I can ever remember, and he didn’t do much trapping with me because of that. The biggest thing is to keep them comfortable. I have been doing a lot of my easy to check water trapping when he is with me because I can usually save a few easy rats or a beaver every now and then for the days when he is with me. I will let him set a homerun beaver trap on Friday night and usually he at least has a beaver on Saturday morning to add to a few rats and whatever we catch on the canine line. I have been setting a few lines close to home too, and I will check all of my other traps, and save the close ones for when he gets off school in the evenings. Also, it helps if you can use an ATV or a UTV to check with because they usually at least like to go for a ride whether you catch anything or not. Just remember, be patient because they can sense your frustration at times and they don’t want to feel like an inconvenience. Also, remember, God doesn’t give us any more than we can handle...he only gives kids with disabilities to the tough ones. You must be one of the tough ones, and good on you for making a kids day brighter.
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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08/11/18 10:05 AM
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My son was born with Spina Bifida. He's paralyzed from the waist down. From the waist up- I'll put that kid up against anyone in anything. He's currently 20 years old and starting his junior year in college. He has always be active in hunting/trapping/fishing/sports/whatever he could find an opportunity to do. THAT is the key- opportunity to do. We had to modify some things for him to do, other things he had to modify himself to do. If he took a liking to something, he found a way to do it. I got into trapping again in my old age, because my son wanted to try it. All I could think about was how bad he was going to fail- since he has to crawl to make a set, he can't keep his scent profile away from anything- he's limited on where he can get to- what is he going to do when he catches something and has to deal with it? Yep, they weren't his disabilities- they were mine. Won't forget the first day he came home with his first coon, or his first grey, or his first red.... and oh how he loves removing egg eating grinners! That kid can skin and flesh better than most I've seen in person or on video. Key is: find something they like to do, and let them do it. Don't define success for them. Let them teach you what success is. For every individual, the game is different, and the way you go about it is unique. You have to find your own sweet spot. Keep it fun. Don't let discouragement rule the day. Find what he likes to do, and give him every opportunity to find his way to his success. I wish you the best of luck First fox January 22, 2015
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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08/11/18 10:07 AM
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One of my boys has a kind of Muscular dystrophy. Hes in a wheelchair but we find a way to make it possible for him do what ever it is we are doing. If there's a will there's a way. I got him a small four wheeler and bought a side by side so he can get where ever we go and can be right there beside us in the process. We have to adapt things to his needs a little bit sometimes and realize it's about time with them that's the goal. Give them praise for the little things they do. That's what kids desire. Not sure if my boys will trap on their own when they get older but I know we have made a lot of memories and had a lot of good conversations and laughs while we have been trapping. Find out what parts of the trapping they like and let them do that part as much as you can. Hards part for me was to slow down when they are with me. I'm kind of a pusher when I'm trapping or hunting. You can't hunt or trap they same when they are with you so just remember they when you take them out into the field with you. God has been good and made a way for us.
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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Had a young partner that ran with me for a few years until he got to where his mobility was lost just take into consideration he/she is what matters and you need to adjust to his/her needs. Yes they will slow you down expect it and prepare for it. I set him up with cages but he wanted to use coils (Stubborn little bugger! LOL) so I sent him a pair of the one had setters. He is from WI and runs with my buddie now as his health could go South at anytime and he has care in place there. I set heavy a few days before he got here to run traps! The next year I waited 3 weeks to start and my buddie decided for me it was going to be too much for me! Let's say he got a ear full for making that call without letting me know!
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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08/11/18 01:46 PM
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About 10 years ago, we were asked to take over the local Challengers Little League team. Challengers is for kids with any type of disability, and the rules are set for participation, not for competition. (No strikeouts/walks, every batter hits every inning, companion fielders/baserunners as needed, etc). The local team was struggling- kids were frustrated, coaches were trying but not making much progress. My first call was to my father, now approaching his 70th birthday. In his hey day, he was a top fastpitch softball pitcher. He beat the King and His Court (in their prime), he has a wall full of MVP trophies- he is a legend in the region he used to play. I said, "Dad, I need you to pitch one more year." He laughed. Then I explained the team and league, and he agreed. "But", I said, "There's one thing. Instead of making the batters miss the ball, I need you to hit the bat." See, a lot of these kids were severely involved. Eye/hand coordination was not good. For some, the bat was too much for them to swing very well. Dad agreed. First practice, he stepped on the mound, and told each batter to take a few practice swings. Within 1 or 2 pitches, Dad timed and hit the bat almost perfectly. No mater the bat speed or swing plane, he found the sweet spot. During games, other coaches commented on how well our team batted. No one used the T stand, and everyone got a hit within a few pitches. Kids were bragging about how hard they were hitting the balls and hoping in the future for extra base hits. Dad never said a word. He walked off the field and let everyone have their moment in the sun. You ask him about his pitching days, and he'll start right off with 'when he pitched for the Challengers team'. Sometimes we need to see life through a different lens. Sometimes we need to evaluate success in different terms. Sometimes, we need some special kids to teach us what's important in life. (Sorry can't get the picture to orient properly. You get the idea.)
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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08/12/18 03:58 PM
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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My son was born with Spina Bifida. He's paralyzed from the waist down. From the waist up- I'll put that kid up against anyone in anything. He's currently 20 years old and starting his junior year in college. He has always be active in hunting/trapping/fishing/sports/whatever he could find an opportunity to do. THAT is the key- opportunity to do. We had to modify some things for him to do, other things he had to modify himself to do. If he took a liking to something, he found a way to do it. I got into trapping again in my old age, because my son wanted to try it. All I could think about was how bad he was going to fail- since he has to crawl to make a set, he can't keep his scent profile away from anything- he's limited on where he can get to- what is he going to do when he catches something and has to deal with it? Yep, they weren't his disabilities- they were mine. Won't forget the first day he came home with his first coon, or his first grey, or his first red.... and oh how he loves removing egg eating grinners! That kid can skin and flesh better than most I've seen in person or on video. Key is: find something they like to do, and let them do it. Don't define success for them. Let them teach you what success is. For every individual, the game is different, and the way you go about it is unique. You have to find your own sweet spot. Keep it fun. Don't let discouragement rule the day. Find what he likes to do, and give him every opportunity to find his way to his success. I wish you the best of luck First fox January 22, 2015 . My oldest grandson in 4, he was also born with spina bifida. You offer great encouragement to others. Thanks for posting.
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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08/12/18 09:12 PM
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What a great post. Great bunch of people on here... heartwarming hearing how y'all manage to make things work for the kids in your life. Prayers for all of you, and keep up the great work.
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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08/12/18 10:40 PM
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To all of what was said , I would add this..
Don't be afraid to let them LIVE THEIR LIFE!!! Too many times in the past, I would see Parents want to shelter their Disabled kids from living their life , and seeing the real World ! In the Schools back then, the Schools would put those kids in different classes , just because they were born Crippled or had some other disabling factor, that they had to deal with. The Schools in those years, did not realize that those kids were real people , that had a Brain and could learn and contribute to Society ; if only they were given the chance. Often, they were not given that chance.
Back when I was born, one Doctor suggested to my Parents that I would not live past the age of 3 years. "So why keep him ? " The Doctor said. It was a different time then. Well, my supposed "EXPIRATION DATE !" expired DECADES AGO !! Still alive and kicking !! It has not been easy . There has been many rough roads. But I am still here!
As for Hunting, Fishing and Trapping; Just have to learn to improvise! Run a shorter line. Use the Trap Setters. Trap in the early season , or when there is little snow on the ground.
Hunting: Well, most of the same as when Trapping. Improvise ! Try to pick areas that have decent access . Get your kid a Disabled Hunter Permit. Many States have them. You might even have the option to Hunt from a vehicle., and use a motorized vehicle, in areas that would otherwise be off limits to motorized vehicles. Use a lighter weight , smaller caliber Rifle. If he or she uses Crutches, find a good sling that they can use to carry their Rifle or Shotgun , when using the Crutches. That was the hardest part for me. Finding the right sling.
If you can , invest in one of those ATV or UTV's. Disabled or not, those vehicles can be extremely helpful in hauling game out of the woods.
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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I would rephrase this topic to fathers who take their kids trapping... the disability doesn't matter, spending quality time with them and teaching them at their level using your best modeling and patience does. The biggest things to remember is what any child's limitations and capabilities are, and grow from there, again at their level. Also consider how long the child can handle such an activity, some might be content tagging along all day while others need a change after an hour or two. With someone at such a young age you also need to plan for the unplanned events... carry extra snacks, clothes, water etc. in the truck to be able to meet their needs or quickly remedy a mishap while out on the line. Consider that little kids winter gear isn't always as weatherproof as adult gear, and discomfort may bring the cost of disliking the activity when they get old enough to express their opinion.
Throughout your entire life, you will never see the same sky twice.
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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Prayers of encouragement for all of you.
PTA Lifetime #131N. Salvation Army CSM Stakes: Why leave them? ALWAYS John 3:16 814-516-2923
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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We had to twist a few arms in order to make sure that "accessibility" of public lands here in PA was actually in practice and not just on paper. There were supposed to be open trails for ATV access for disabled sportsmen, but we spent many hours trying to find them, and when we thought we did find them, they weren't cleared marked, or they were gated.
Ended up writing Harrisburg, and within minutes, we were getting phone calls with apologies and instructions. In some places, the signage had just been "back burnered" and the gates were an oversight.
We've learned that almost everything is going to be an uphill struggle, but we've also learned that if we do the leg work, others can benefit.
We've been to state parks where there is an accessible dock to fish from- only to find it "reserved" for a wedding..... We've had out of state hunters put up tree stands on the property line, infringing on the "best spot" for my son to hunt from.... We constantly fight with handicapped parking spots being taken by "I'm just running into the store for a loaf of bread".... We've experienced scouting outdoor activities where my son was offered to go sit in a room and read a book instead of participate.... On and on....
Education and a little compassion go a long way. We've adopted the mantra that if we can make something better for the next individual coming down the line, it's worth the effort.
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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(Moderators- if this post violates TOS, please feel free to remove) For anyone out there that has a relative with a disability, or knows someone with a disability, I highly recommend Hunt of a Lifetime. They will set you up with whatever hunting or fishing trip you desire, pay for all of the expenses, including a firearm or fishing gear. My son wanted a Western hunt, either Mule Deer or Elk. When we searched the guides that were available, we saw that there were open Idaho Elk hunts, so we applied. My son's hunt happened within like 2 months. First phone call was "What type of rifle does he want?". "Ummm", I replied, "I guess I can get him to shoot my .300, it's about all I have." "Oh no sir, he GETS a firearm from Savage. You tell us caliber and we will ship it to your dealer, along with a military grade case." "Wow." Next call- "How does 2nd week in October sound?" "Wow, that's like 6 weeks away. Yep, we're in." Long story, short. 330" bull elk. Free shoulder mount. All expenses paid. .308 Savage that has more notches on it that you can imagine (Elk, whitetail, pronghorn). Great experience, great people.
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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Bradly did get a nice Grey Fox and hooked a Bobcat but had to release it, he has caught some mink and rats also trapping suited him better then hunting as his reaction time was too slow for our SD birds here. We worked on a hunting electric chair and we had a lead on one but that never panned out it never came through.
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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08/15/18 11:43 AM
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Apologies for semi off-topic but figured reading some of the responses, a few posters & readers may be interested. http://www.handsofasportsman.org/An organization i'm involved with. Expanding across a few states - feel free to pass along to those you may know of to apply for a chance at a hunt. http://www.handsofasportsman.org/hunter-signup
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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08/20/18 02:26 PM
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If anyone is interested, I just got my Hunt of a Lifetime 90 day raffle ticket notice in the mail today for 2019. $50 per ticket with 2 chances per ticket. Feb 1 to May 1 on afternoon PA Big Four number.
PM me if anyone wants more information.
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Re: A Question For The Trapping Fathers Of Kids With..
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Inspiring for sure. Thanks for sharing. My daughter can't hold a flame to your kids. She has only one eye due to cancer but loves to be in the mts with me. A lot of times I'm in rough terrain and she keeps up.
My buddy is paralyzed runs hounds on bobcat and mt lion. He also runs a fishing program that takes disabled vets and wheelchair bound kids fishing at various NM lakes.
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