Come on debate is fun keeps the minds sharp! LOL Chicken or the egg? O/S regular jaws? Ford Chevy Dodge?

no,,it creates a peeing match with holyier than thou attitudes.....i know best,,no,i know best...blablabla. Totally goes against what i believe it should be. I surely dont teach that to my son. Pots callin the kettles black etc etc

LOL Reading more into it then needed maybe one for the more civil threads I have seen just people talking about life I'm interested in the thinking patterns of people I find that interesting at times and sad at other times.

The good news is the good news not the bad news,
Believers have the holy spirit inside them but they are not the HolySpirit.
If we spent our time on what the Lord did for us more, and quit spending our time tring to clean up a nonbeliever up before he becomes a believer and comes to church, let the gospel transform them we would do well.

I have yet to see one Christian one these threads claim to be a better person than a non-christian. What I have seen is Christians debating what the Truth is. If your a Christian you belief the Bible is the spoken world of God. Does the Bible give us complete answers to ALL our questions? No. But when we start deviating from the truth it does teach based on what we want to believe then we are headed down a slippery slope.

I respect everyone that will openly debate this subject without making it personal or taking it personal.

Of course it is, but the fact that you see all these things just emphasizes that we are all messed up and need saving.

Maybe I misread. But I thought the OP was asking if the scriptures plainly state that we "sleep" till we are resurrected at a later time, (even at separate times) why do most churches teach otherwise?

If I am mistaken wetdog, correct me.

You are right that was my question.
I talked with a few people today on this subject. None had remembered hearing those words in church.
Is it my old memory?

This is the point of all these religions. Lol, even if you don't believe in God? You still have a religion! Even if you are aware of it.

Satan isn't called the deciever for no reason! It's why your not to take from or add to God's word. The slightest deviation from base line adds to the confusion.

Let me reword this question
Does your church preach you go to heaven when you die or
Wait in Jesus sleep until his return?

Lol

I'm with ya law dog.

1st. The point of needing a savior is that we are all fallen. Even the saved! And depending how bad you were or what you were into at point of salvation? Could be a long time before your fixed if you get fixed.

2nd fear of the Lord doesn't mean what you think it does I'd bet. Not a fear like an abused dog would have of an owner. More of a fear of what will happen without Him. That may not be a very good explanation.

3rd. Religion is a mess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4th and final: if in your heart you truly yearn for the truth? Ask God to show you! Ask God to open your eyes! He says He will do that for those who truly seek it! Problem is:. Most folks say they do but don't really mean it.

Your body stays you go to heaven when you die.

Lol

You could start another 6 threads with just this one!

Real quick and in the weeds.

Use to be a place called Abraham's bosom I think? Verse where guys yells across abyss to the other side etc... That changed with Christ! Christ was the prototype. In short: we ascend or descend when we die. We will return with Christ after the rapture some time. I think that s called the day of the Lord. But I'm a pretrib guy.

This is a debate I recently talked about with family. My only question is this. Well, my only one at the moment. If you sleep until the Resurrection, then what about Luke 23:43??

And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

According to Matthew 12:40 Christ would be three days in the belly of the earth. So that can't be what it means.

It was a common expression of the day to say "Assuredly, I say to you,"
Punctuation was added later, based on what they THOUGHT it should say.....so if you move the comma a little...

And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise.”

I believe, this is so far the only scripture for me anyway that was messed up in translation. I know I know, that sounds like a excuse but look at it like this. Luke 23: 43, Assuredly, I say to you today, you will be with me in Paradise. I really believe the translators misplaced the comma and put it before today. The reason I believe that is Jesus went to the grave for three days, he himself wasn't in Paradise.

amspoker beat me to it lol.

8 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

I think I've made it clear where I stand on this topic already.

But brianmall when you say


And you say "Christ is the prototype", you are contradicting yourself.

His tomb was empty, He showed the disciples the holes in His hands, and in His side. It was no longer His blood that sustained Him, but the spirit.

The two witnesses at the end time laid dead in the streets for three days and were told to "come up here". (Rev 11:11-12) They didn't go up to heaven, then back down, just to be told to come back up.

They laid dead for three and a half days, and then awoke.
This is the first resurrection at Christ's return.

John 20:17