Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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While shooting off a mountain top from a saddle on a mule, I killed an elk so far away I had to wait another day for that zone to open to retrieve it. One shot, between the eyes. Passed through the bull lengthwise, exited and hit a rock and passed back through the elk from the rear, ending in his heart. No meat damage, perfect mushroom, and near total weight retension. Was the 6.5 Snpiner Viper Butt Wiper Magnum. Did I say no recoil? Developed by seals in Antiartica. Hey you got any 10,000 yrd shootin ranges over in your neck of the woods LOL
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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Thats why I have my deer stand on a factory chimney that is 900 feet tall .... that way I can make use of the laser magnum rifle that shoots flat to 18000 yards point blank range without the curvature of the earth getting in the way.
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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If y'all would use Rampage Lures you wouldn't have to shoot at 'em that far. It's what the professionals use, and love...
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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How do you know if a guy shoots a 6.5 creedmoor? Dont worry, he'll tell you. Lol.
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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Trapr That is why I looked at the ballistics to see what I would be gaining if anything. Not enough evidence to warrant me investing. NEVER said others shouldn't. Agreed Byrd, neither of us would gain anything....indeed the BC of those 6.5's are great, but not enough to make a difference to many of us. I also pull out the 6.5x55 at times, and if I want 270-ish or 7/08-ish ballistics, the 7x57 comes out of the stable. I built a 6mm like yours yrs ago for a customer as his "rainy day barn rifle". Heavy stocked with #5 barrel...man, that thing would drive tacks!
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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Trapr That is why I looked at the ballistics to see what I would be gaining if anything. Not enough evidence to warrant me investing. NEVER said others shouldn't. Agreed Byrd, neither of us would gain anything....indeed the BC of those 6.5's are great, but not enough to make a difference to many of us. I also pull out the 6.5x55 at times, and if I want 270-ish or 7/08-ish ballistics, the 7x57 comes out of the stable. I built a 6mm like yours yrs ago for a customer as his "rainy day barn rifle". Heavy stocked with #5 barrel...man, that thing would drive tacks! But you would be "gaining", just not what you looked at. Like others have posted, the 6.5. has a better B.C., which means it will drop less and drift less in wind. It's also a more efficient cartrage so less powder burned per fps. Normally means a more accurate cartrage. We're talking tenths of an inch, which real shooters spend to get.
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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I have heard "6.5 creedmore 6.5creedmore " until I want to puke. Yes glad some have found the "newest fad" to play and tinker with. But I knew from reloading everything from a 221 fireball up to a 300 win mag that there was NOWAY a 6.5 shot as flat as a 270. Well go ahead and start telling me about your "special loads" but I just looked at SEVERAL ballistic charts and if you have comparable bullets ( factory or hand load) the 270 shoots flatter. ACCORDING to the ballistic charts. Oh yes. AT EVERY RANGE. The 6.5 was better on some charts with drift but not all. On this one the 130 gr 270 shot flatter than the 120 6.5 https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/6-5-creedmoor-versus-270-winchester/In this testing 270 wins. 500 yrds 270 wins ???? Guess I just getting to old to "jump" on any band wagons.... LOL At one point in 1923 the 270 was the "newest fad". Took 25yrs for it to really take hold but it hasn't relinquished that hold yet. I like my 6.5 over the 270 but it's really up to each individual shooters preferences. I personally enjoy the recoil aspect. Now SOCOM seems to have weighed in as well, albeit for different reasons. Evidence is stacking up against the use of the term "fad" but hey - to each their own. There are certainly an exorbitant amount of annoying 6.5 fans, I'll give you that. "In October 2017, U.S. Special Operations Command tested the performance of 7.62×51mm NATO, .260 Remington, and 6.5mm Creedmoor cartridges out of SR-25, M110A1, and Mk 20 sniper rifles. SOCOM determined that 6.5 Creedmoor performed the best, doubling hit probability at 1,000 m (1,094 yd), increasing effective range by nearly half, reducing wind drift by a third and having less recoil than 7.62×51mm NATO rounds. Tests showed the .260 Remington and 6.5mm Creedmoor cartridges were similarly accurate and reliable and the external ballistic behavior was also very similar. The prevailing attitude is that there was more room with the 6.5mm Creedmoor to further develop projectiles and loads. Because the two cartridges have similar dimensions, the same magazines can be used and a rifle can be converted with a barrel change. This led to its adoption and fielding by special operations snipers to replace the 7.62×51mm NATO cartridge in their semi-automatic sniper rifles, planned in early 2019. In response to SOCOM's adoption, the Department of Homeland Security also decided to adopt the round." http://soldiersystems.net/2018/03/23/ussocom-adopts-6-5-cm/https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-...ound-next-year/https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/g...ng-range-round/
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Re: 6.5 cr vs 270
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if you step back and look at the history of the 6.5 creedmore it was all about the target shooting.
you basically have a bunch of guys running 308 and some wild cat cartridges but the goal is a target at 600 , 800 or 1000 yards
if you compare 308 to 6.5 Creedmore it is a big improvement at 1000 yards your talking 54 inches of improvement.
then the Precision rifle guys got a hold of it , this is really sort of a new sport they shoot a 40-50 round course of fire it may take them much of the day and shooting from less than an ideal shooting position is par for the course .
why not just find a great load for 6.5x55 , well they could have done that but with a significant number of 6.5x55 rifles that are over 100 years old and wanting to run 62Kpsi something that would keep the new cartridge from ending up in antiques was in order.
also remember the target shooters and PR shooters are getting high round count some shooting out a barrel a year so if there was extra space in the 6.5x55 that was going unused they could make more efficent use of a case just big enough real Goldilocks case dimensions.
powder savings also weighing in
add in the 6.5x55 is really a medium length case and basically everything has been reduced to short and long actions now so a shorter case leaves room to feed long high BC bullets and still fit in a short action and into short action box magazines.
the target shooters had burned out many a barrel before 6.5 creedmore really made it's jump to popularity
few people had really heard much about it till Ruger offered the Ruger Precision Rifle in 6.5 Creedmore coupled with Horady's match ammo it was a rifle that could get a rifle and cartrige capable of targets at 1200 yards into the hands of a shooter for right about 1000 dollars
previously that was something that typically took a 2000 dollar custom gun to achive.
people got seriously excited , perhaps as gitty as a school girl when they started shooting sub 1/2 minute groups at 400 yards
then everyone wanted to chamber a gun in this hot new caliber
hunters figured out it was like the trusty 6.5x55 in many ways but they could get it in new domestically produced rifles .
they shot deer , low recoil dead deer back to Gitty as a school girl. would a 7mm-08 have worked just as well at the distance they were shooting sure probably.
so it isn't all hype , but it isn't obviously for every one and no I do not own one it just didn't fit my needs
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