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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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IMO religion enabled us to butcher native tribes and take their land because we put ourselves on the moral high ground. We perverted religion to perptuate genocide and slavery Spirituality is another matter and I believe we all have a spirit.
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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IMO religion enabled us to butcher native tribes and take their land because we put ourselves on the moral high ground. We perverted religion to perptuate genocide and slavery Spirituality is another matter and I believe we all have a spirit. that is the history of mankind from the beginning.
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IMO religion enabled us to butcher native tribes and take their land because we put ourselves on the moral high ground. We perverted religion to perptuate genocide and slavery Spirituality is another matter and I believe we all have a spirit. Could you imagine this discussion a couple hundred years ago setting around a fire ? I would be the fire.lol...Would that be Evil or would they be burning the Evil out of me ? 
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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IMO religion enabled us to butcher native tribes and take their land because we put ourselves on the moral high ground. We perverted religion to perptuate genocide and slavery Spirituality is another matter and I believe we all have a spirit. Possible due to illiteracy. If a person can read the New Testament, that which Christians follow, they would have known better. Instead they listened to the false prophet, who used religion to destroy, and the results are evident today. That being the belief that religion equals war which leads those with this belief to not accept Grace but turn from it considering it to be evil.
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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There's solid evidence for evolution you just choose not to see it. There is no evidence to religion that's why you have to have faith.
As far as Evil goes. Anything that tries to harm you in any way is evil. Evil is just a term to describe an act. Deal with Evil with Evil or run, your choice. Evil is a lot more than what tries to harm us. Evil is always a perversion of what God has made for good. The trouble with starting the evolution debate, is that it really has little to do with the discussion. Evolution theory does not prove or disprove the existence of God. It's just a theory of how we get from point A to point A. Unless you have a first cause, there is no point A or point B.
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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IMO religion enabled us to butcher native tribes and take their land because we put ourselves on the moral high ground. We perverted religion to perptuate genocide and slavery Spirituality is another matter and I believe we all have a spirit. Could you imagine this discussion a couple hundred years ago setting around a fire ? I would be the fire.lol...Would that be Evil or would they be burning the Evil out of me ? Maybe you would be more comfy around a fire with chairman mao, or maybe stalin. Honestly, you should be very thankful for growing up in a country founded on judeo-christian principles. Whose founders understood where we get our freedoms.
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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I believe that by saying religion causes wars is equal to saying guns kill people!
Guns do not kill people, evil people kill people. The same, religion does not cause war, twisted thinking causes war (examples: Stalin, Hitler, Hussein, Terrorists, etc.)
Was Stalin, Hitler, Hussein, Terrorists, etc. true followers of God? What if they would have been, would these atrocities through out History ever happened?
Again, an honest conversation about good and evil MUST include a conversation about God. Because without God, there is NO GOOD!
Think about this: NO GOD NO PEACE- KNOW GOD KNOW PEACE!
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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Actually many came here because of religious prosecution in Europe at the time.
PAskinner..Your right evolution does not prove the existance of a God or not. It's just proves the existance of evolution. Religion does not want the proof of anything but religion and then again only my religion(why some fled Europe).
Any prosecution over a belief is Evil. Because you can't get to the truth without the debate,without looking for it.
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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Actually many came here because of religious prosecution in Europe at the time.
PAskinner..Your right evolution does not prove the existance of a God or not. It's just proves the existance of evolution. Religion does not want the proof of anything but religion and then again only my religion(why some fled Europe).
Any prosecution over a belief is Evil. Because you can't get to the truth without the debate,without looking for it. Forget about religion and pursue God. Looking at what men do doesn't prove anything. Men fight and kill over everything from religion to a piece of meat to a pair of shoes. So, saying that some religious people did such and such, is no more profitable to the discussion than a debate over how God created the world. Sure, religious people did bad things, and atheists did bad things, but nothing is evil or good without the existence of someone who defines what the words even mean. You say persecution is evil. Ok, but why? If the world is all about survival of the fittest, then there is nothing evil in the strong stomping out the weak. Evil and good is all relative in a Godless universe.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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A belief and being the fittest is 2 different thing's. Your never going to get anywhere as a species killing your brother's and sister's for thinking outside the box.Might be why it took us so long to get to where we are today.
Truth just is. It doesn't take a God to define it.
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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He didn't say God is required to define truth. He said God is the needed objective standard by which good and evil are differentiated. The truth is this: "good" is that which conforms to God's nature and "evil" is anything that deviates from God's nature. Any prosecution over a belief is Evil. I'm curious at how you arrived at that conclusion.
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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So sorry to hear you are an atheist my friend. Do you realize that without God and His Word, there is NO MORAL fiber at all? From where does morality come? It comes from a Moral Creator namely, God! Do you think the sunrise just happened by accident? Dis our bodies magically come together? Atheism is NOT reasonable at all. By the way, I am not trying to "preach" to you, just defending the obvious truth about a Creator. Sadly, we are seeing clearly the fruits of atheism every day- shootings, murder, evil, etc. Do not link evil and or good to religion. i am a atheist, yet think that I am a good person. I like to help others along to make a life for themselves and go out of my way to do so. I believe that religion i a very dangerous thing. More wars have been fought over it then anything else ( well maybe oil is a close runner up ) i believe the world would be a more peaceful place without religions. Just my two cents and probably worth less then that.
Just as a heads up for all the bible folks on here trying to " save my soul " to me its a fraudulent game exploiting the fear of people that are gullible enough to take the bait. I am happy where I am and am going to keep it that way for myself... and the better half.
PS. there are quite a few religious folks " those catholic twats" i would like to be locked up in a room with for half an hour or so. It would bring them a lot closer to what they are supposed to teach. I've always had the opinion that it takes more faith to be an atheist than it does to believe in God.
Must be nice to eat ice cream as fast as you want and not have to worry about brain freeze.
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IMO religion enabled us to butcher native tribes and take their land because we put ourselves on the moral high ground. We perverted religion to perptuate genocide and slavery Spirituality is another matter and I believe we all have a spirit. There were native tribes that butchered other native tribes before we ever came here that took other tribes land. An example would be the Sioux once inhabited Minnesota. They were killed, slaughtered, and driven into the Dakotas for their land by the Chippewa. If a person claims to kill and consider themselves to be a Christian, they are living a lie. Christ never advocated killing, but said to pray for your enemies instead.
Must be nice to eat ice cream as fast as you want and not have to worry about brain freeze.
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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There's lot's of opinion's out there.Personally i like to see some evidence to back it up.
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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IMO religion enabled us to butcher native tribes and take their land because we put ourselves on the moral high ground. We perverted religion to perptuate genocide and slavery Spirituality is another matter and I believe we all have a spirit. There were native tribes that butchered other native tribes before we ever came here that took other tribes land. An example would be the Sioux once inhabited Minnesota. They were killed, slaughtered, and driven into the Dakotas for their land by the Chippewa. If a person claims to kill and consider themselves to be a Christian, they are living a lie. Christ never advocated killing, but said to pray for your enemies instead. It's about power,control,greed and in some cases survival no matter who's doing it, when or where.
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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That's all true, but it's not the Christian way taught by Christ.
Must be nice to eat ice cream as fast as you want and not have to worry about brain freeze.
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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That's all true, but it's not the Christian way taught by Christ.
I'm sure there are plenty of Athiest's and those of other belief's that would agree with the Christian's about that. It's not just a Christian belief and on the other hand they are just as guilty as the rest.
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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If there was no God , there would be no need for Atheism.......
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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If there was no God , there would be no need for Atheism....... Or Christians or any other religion. Maybe throughout this thread we are mixing up Atheist with Evolutionist,there is a difference.Evolutionist have not arrived at the conclusion there is or isn't a God or anything else yet (they don't claim to know what they don't know).
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Re: EVIL: A MAKE BELIEVE CONCEPT
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It's about power,control,greed and in some cases survival no matter who's doing it, when or where.
So what's wrong with power? What s wrong with greed? Is survival at the cost of some one else's death bad? Why? The atheists have no answers.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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