Re: Info on certified fur
[Re: mainer]
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08/29/18 07:59 PM
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traceability and certification are two different things. The former is meaningless without the latter. Don't forget where all of this began - The Humane Society bringing suit against 11 retailers in 2011 for selling fake fur garments made from Chinese "raccoon dog" fur, and the European Union's attempt to globally regulate wild-fur production through sanctions that have now reached our borders as Certification and Traceability via NAFA and our brethren to the North. I'd rather not go through this song and dance once again - it's getting old - but if Boco wants serenade us with his NAFA-sponsored propaganda, I'll play. ....bingo!
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Re: Info on certified fur
[Re: MJM]
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08/29/18 08:07 PM
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They were invited to the ND Fur Takers summer convention and gave a talk. You have no clue what you are saying, since everything you know is at least second hand. Do you have a problem saying your fur is from ID and taken legally? That is all they want. .....that's tracebility not certified by athis or the bmp...I have no problem with traceability as is already in place.
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Re: Info on certified fur
[Re: PSB1011]
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08/29/18 08:10 PM
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certification will dictate what traps and methods that can or cannot be used before they will certify that pelt. only after you comply with what they is consider humane.......probably by someone that's never even set a trap! None of you will like what I'm going to say. This is not government dictating what we are or, what we are not going to do,but it is free companies in a free country telling us trappers what they expect from us.I don't like it any more than you do.But ,it is what it is,and if you want to sell ,or be auctioned by them,than you better get with the program.Or don't sell to them,or through them. Very simple. Like I said previous,I don't like it any more than any of you. You sir are dead nuts on.Its here whether we like it or not.Personally,it doesn't bother me.
Buck(formely known as Zandra)
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Re: Info on certified fur
[Re: etxwoods]
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08/29/18 08:21 PM
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, except the part(you better get with the program)if consumers want fur they will buy it without CG propaganda...its not companies either its company (CG)pushing it. no else is pushing it....Ranch mink is certified and the prices are at all time low. certified fur is not helping them out much!
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Re: Info on certified fur
[Re: etxwoods]
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08/29/18 08:49 PM
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A "brief" overview of how we got here:
NAFA has been trying to resurrect the European fur market for years, and the only way that’ll happen is if fur coming into or going through European Union countries meets the EU’s Agreement on International Humane Trapping Standards (AIHTS). The EU, Canada and Russia all signed on to this agreement in 1997-98. Thankfully, the United States did not sign on to AIHTS.
In an effort to leverage AIHTS compliance from US fur producers (trappers and hunters), NAFA decided to create an industry-concocted solution in the form of Fur Certification and Traceability (FCT). It’s basically an end-run around state and local trapping and hunting regs in the US.
Again, traceability is meaningless unless AIHTS compliance CAN BE CERTIFIED all the way down the fur chain. And this is the crux of NAFA’s Fur Certification and Traceability program. Ya gotta follow the bouncing FCT ball.
It’s an effort to gain AIHTS compliance by establishing an industry-wide set of standardized practices that would force wild fur producers to comply with European Union standards as a requirement to sell fur to NAFA directly or through their agents.
It's designed to standardize the methods we're allowed to use, the equipment we're allowed to use, the species we're allowed to trap, when we're allowed to trap, who is allowed to trap, what credentials are required to trap, where and with whom we're allowed to sell our fur, and so on. The model here is Canada's federalized system, which is a slow rollout of ever-increasing regulations and restrictions on all of the above.
NAFA of course denies this, but NAFA’s own policy initiatives betray that denial. Why? Because without AIHTS compliance the EU fur market remains closed to them. And because the US is a major source of wild fur production, the only way to reignite the EU wild fur market is by gaining AIHTS compliance on some level from US trappers.
At this early stage compliance begins by getting trappers here in the US to sign a declaration indicating they've followed their state and local laws and BMPs. Once NAFA gets that ball rolling – with our incremental cooperation – the end point is a de facto (industry implemented) regulatory system for which we have no voice, no representation, and no local or state sovereignty over our trapping heritage. What we will have is a set of rules and standards that originated from the European Union.
And if you want to know why Canada Goose jumped the shark, Google the HSUS FTC Petitions on retailers selling real fur garments as faux fur - Canada Goose has been named in at least one of the suits.
Last edited by mainer; 08/29/18 08:56 PM. Reason: emphasis
"...in a very few days we succeeded in taking over one hundred beaver, the skins of which were worth ten dollars per pound." Jim Beckwourth (1856)
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Re: Info on certified fur
[Re: mainer]
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08/29/18 08:56 PM
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A "brief" overview of how we got here:
NAFA has been trying to resurrect the European fur market for years, and the only way that’ll happen is if fur coming into or going through European Union countries meets the EU’s Agreement on International Humane Trapping Standards (AIHTS). The EU, Canada and Russia all signed on to this agreement in 1997-98. Thankfully, the United States did not sign on to AIHTS.
In an effort to leverage AIHTS compliance from US fur producers (trappers and hunters), NAFA decided to create an industry-concocted solution in the form of Fur Certification and Traceability (FCT). It’s basically an end-run around state and local trapping and hunting regs in the US.
Again, traceability is meaningless unless AIHTS compliance CAN BE CERTIFIED all the way down the fur chain. And this is the crux of NAFA’s Fur Certification and Traceability program. Ya gotta follow the bouncing FCT ball.
It’s an effort to gain AIHTS compliance by establishing an industry-wide set of standardized practices that would force wild fur producers to comply with European Union standards as a requirement to sell fur to NAFA directly or through their agents.
It's designed to standardize the methods we're allowed to use, the equipment we're allowed to use, the species we're allowed to trap, when we're allowed to trap, who is allowed to trap, what credentials are required to trap, where and with whom we're allowed to sell our fur, and so on. The model here is Canada's federalized system, which is a slow rollout of ever-increasing regulations and restrictions on all of the above.
NAFA of course denies this, but NAFA’s own policy initiatives betray that denial. Why? Because without AIHTS compliance the EU fur market remains closed to them. And because the US is a major source of wild fur production, the only way to reignite the EU wild fur market is by gaining AIHTS compliance on some level from US trappers.
At this early stage compliance begins by getting trappers here in the US to sign a declaration indicating they've followed their state and local laws and BMPs. Once NAFA gets that ball rolling – with our incremental cooperation – the end point is a de facto (industry implemented) regulatory system for which we have no voice, no representation, and no local or state sovereignty over our trapping heritage. What we will have is a set of rules, regulations and standards that originated from the European Union.
And if you want to know why Canada Goose jumped the shark, Google the HSUS FTC Petitions on retailers selling real fur garments as faux fur - Canada Goose has been named in at least one of the suits. mainer, i think you must be wearing a tin foil hat!!
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Re: Info on certified fur
[Re: etxwoods]
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08/29/18 09:13 PM
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Amazing the stupidity that some americans believe,LOL.Tin foil is way too thin.
Last edited by Boco; 08/29/18 09:13 PM.
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Re: Info on certified fur
[Re: gibb]
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08/29/18 09:28 PM
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A simple answer to your conspiracy theory on NAFA leading the charge on certification, why would NAFA want to cutoff the supply of fur? NAFA doesn;t make money selling popcorn!!! They don't! That's why NAFA's FCT program is a slow roll out that begins with voluntarily signing a document. We're all seasoned veterans at signing documents that we have no clue what the blazes it'll mean or entail down the road. And Boco, thank you! When the ad hominems start flying you know ya got 'em on the ropes....and right out of the gate no less.
Last edited by mainer; 08/29/18 09:44 PM. Reason: important qualifier
"...in a very few days we succeeded in taking over one hundred beaver, the skins of which were worth ten dollars per pound." Jim Beckwourth (1856)
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Re: Info on certified fur
[Re: etxwoods]
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08/29/18 09:40 PM
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LOL!:D
That one is signature worthy
"...in a very few days we succeeded in taking over one hundred beaver, the skins of which were worth ten dollars per pound." Jim Beckwourth (1856)
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Re: Info on certified fur
[Re: etxwoods]
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08/29/18 09:45 PM
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Where is that Meatball Walleyed,shouldnt he be chiming in about now?
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Info on certified fur
[Re: etxwoods]
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08/29/18 10:42 PM
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the stuff being passed around a year or two ago was about trappers certifying them selves; no certification or tracabilty of fur at all; just trappers signing a form stating they complied with AHITS. 2,3, 4, 5,6, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, and 16 are questions that are irrelevant or pertain only to Canada.
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Re: Info on certified fur
[Re: etxwoods]
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08/29/18 10:49 PM
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Yep..So do all of the farmed animals around the world that end up on a persons body have this certification on each and every pelt..Like when 7.5 million ranch mink hit the auction block?
I can catch them here...I can catch them ANYWHERE
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Re: Info on certified fur
[Re: gibb]
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08/29/18 11:00 PM
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[quote=gibb]A simple answer to your conspiracy theory on NAFA leading the charge on certification, why would NAFA want to cutoff the supply of fur? NAFA doesn;t make money selling popcorn!!!
[/quote.........................99.9999% is certified!!! ranch fur!!!it is there bread and butter and certified. wild fur is not there top priority.
Last edited by wallfur; 08/29/18 11:11 PM.
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