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Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: payotetrapper] #6318607
09/05/18 09:48 PM
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Makes sense Calvin. most of my land traps are #2 size, I guess it's what one gets used to and old habits die hard.

Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: Btoutdoors] #6318649
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Originally Posted By: Btoutdoors
I have both and prefer the 550 personally. Both are great traps I just feel the 550's are easier and quicker to set. Never had a problem holding a coyote in either.

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Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: payotetrapper] #6318653
09/05/18 11:15 PM
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Keep in mind that even though the MB550 is 5 1/2" across,it is wider than the MB650,from pivot to pivot.

Here is a picture of the factory,cast jaw edge,the 550 edge and the most recent radius I put on the 650,cast jaw edges.I think they will work well now.




Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: payotetrapper] #6318786
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Good post and great info on these two fine traps! I like the 650s...I have used them from their introduction and tested them for Tim. We are on a 24 hr ck here...believe it or not when I tested the REGULAR offset jaw no lam.s here in Illinois....I had very little issues. I believe it is the temperament of each individual fur bearer that causes issues...just my take.

Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: payotetrapper] #6318815
09/06/18 09:18 AM
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Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: payotetrapper] #6319306
09/06/18 09:50 PM
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There is always the 600 Hybrid,of course,which is the best of both worlds.







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Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: payotetrapper] #6319540
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What is the story with the Hybrid 600?

Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: payotetrapper] #6319589
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Yukonal,I fit 650,IL jaws to a 550 and added a longer,rod dog.The jaw spread is 6 1/8",outside,so only 3/8" less than an MB 650 but wider,hinge to hinge and the weight is exactly the same as the MB 550.I just ground the jaw ends to let the 550 levers ride up,spread the jaw ends out a bit and added the longer dog.

Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: payotetrapper] #6319610
09/07/18 10:38 AM
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Taxi did you add the kink less chain or do the 550’s come with that ?

Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: payotetrapper] #6319679
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I added that,GB.

Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: payotetrapper] #6319684
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I really like it, Taxi. Great job.

I'm in the process of designing a dogless trap on the 550 frame, and love the 650 jaw idea. And, I use all 4 coils, so shouldn't have a problem with the bigger jaws.

*Do you remember the exact helper springs you added to 4 coil them?

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Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: payotetrapper] #6319688
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Yukonal,the finished 650 jaws weigh the same as the 550 jaws.I used Taos lightning springs but any you currently use would work.You need a 1 7/8" rod dog.The jaws are special order and cost $8.00 per pair.I built those traps from all new parts as that was a little cheaper than buying a trap and changing jaws and dog.

I told you wrong.I rummaged around and found that I bought MB 550,4 coil springs from FNT Post.

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Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: payotetrapper] #6319695
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Taximan, what is it about the 550 frame that you find advantageous over the 650 frame? Is it that you have a dogged rather than a dogless frame?


"...in a very few days we succeeded in taking over one hundred beaver, the skins of which were worth ten dollars per pound."
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Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: mainer] #6319723
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Originally Posted By: mainer
Taximan, what is it about the 550 frame that you find advantageous over the 650 frame? Is it that you have a dogged rather than a dogless frame?


I always thought for as long as that trap is,hinge to hinge,that it could take more jaw spread.It also makes for a lot lighter trap that has a loose jaw,pit pan and is a little easier to set.

A few years ago,MT tried to pass a law,mandating 3/8" thick jaws.That is based on APHIS guidelines and could still happen one day.If it does,all my MB 550's and cast jaw 650's will be illegal.They may be advertised as 3/8" but the calipers say no.The IL 650 jaws easily make the cut.With the cost of shipping,I decided I'd rather modify what I have,to make a trap that would meet those specs and have more jaw spread,without adding one ounce of weight.I believe they probably have more square inches of space,inside the jaws,than the 650's,weigh 12 oz less than the 650 cast and are easier to set.Not knocking the 650.I like it too.

Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: payotetrapper] #6319743
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A lot has already been said, but i'll take the 550's over my 650's. They are just so much easier to bed and hold anything that gets in them solid. Also its been said and stressed, but the 650's without laminated or cast jaws are really hard on the paws of anything that gets in them.

Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: payotetrapper] #6319750
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Both traps have their place, I took Taxi's idea with the hybrid MB600 and sent some to Tom Stalker. My old PC died or I would post pics. Jim Did you happen to save the pics I sent you? If you did please post. Stalker installed a #2 Bridger pan and dogless system and customized the spring pins. With 650 jaws bent to fit the 550 base. Jaw spread 6". Tom Stalker won't build more till I prove them and he is done with mod work for this year.

Before the snow hits I use more 550s, then after snows hit 650's get it done.. The 600 hybrid should do both..

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Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: Taximan] #6319760
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Originally Posted By: Taximan
Originally Posted By: mainer
Taximan, what is it about the 550 frame that you find advantageous over the 650 frame? Is it that you have a dogged rather than a dogless frame?


I always thought for as long as that trap is,hinge to hinge,that it could take more jaw spread.It also makes for a lot lighter trap that has a loose jaw,pit pan and is a little easier to set.

A few years ago,MT tried to pass a law,mandating 3/8" thick jaws.That is based on APHIS guidelines and could still happen one day.If it does,all my MB 550's and cast jaw 650's will be illegal.They may be advertised as 3/8" but the calipers say no.The IL 650 jaws easily make the cut.With the cost of shipping,I decided I'd rather modify what I have,to make a trap that would meet those specs and have more jaw spread,without adding one ounce of weight.I believe they probably have more square inches of space,inside the jaws,than the 650's,weigh 12 oz less than the 650 cast and are easier to set.Not knocking the 650.I like it too.

Thank you, Taximan. Great answer!


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Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: trappergbus] #6319764
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Originally Posted By: trappergbus
Both traps have their place, I took Taxi's idea with the hybrid MB600 and sent some to Tom Stalker. My old PC died or I would post pics. Jim Did you happen to save the pics I sent you? If you did please post. Stalker installed a #2 Bridger pan and dogless system and customized the spring pins. With 650 jaws bent to fit the 550 base. Jaw spread 6". Tom Stalker won't build more till I prove them and he is done with mod work for this year.

Before the snow hits I use more 550s, then after snows hit 650's get it done.. The 600 hybrid should do both..


I'm not sure Gary.I think that was in an email.I'll look for it.

Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: payotetrapper] #6319785
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Yep Tax I emailed the pics. Yuk, didn't I PM the pics to you also?

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Re: Which MB’s to get for coyote [Re: payotetrapper] #6319791
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I'm not sure but I thought it was just the email?

Do you remember what month you got your traps?

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