What's the best set up for the grab and die sets? Would love to see a set using this method.

Flat sets with bait sticks as the attractors. Wayne Derrick (Wayne52) suggests using 2 sticks per set with gland lure on one stick and something else on the other. Urine at base of stick is an option.

Anyone ever notice a difference in wrap color? My wife has a bunch of felt she uses in her classroom for crafts for the kids. Dumb question but would there be any known difference between light tan, grey, and black other than it standing out against its background?

Also, what would be the ideal finished diameter at the wrapped end?

Asking because I know there was a lot of studies on the getters and m44 but that info is hard to find

If I remember correctly black color had a higher percentage of visits verses white in studies for coyote. You could try some with both colors and see what works best for you.

For M-44's they usually cut a 6" long piece of burlap 1 1/4" wide and wrap it around the head. So if you use a 3/8" dowel about 6"-7" long and wrap a 6"-7" piece of felt around the top of dowel you should have the ideal finished diameter.

Thanks

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There's something about the texture of felt that makes them bite it better than vet wrap or burlap. I've experimented with different colors a lot. White seems to make them more cautious. Black not so much. Blending colors seem to be better for this technique. Bed the trap by a clump of grass and pound the G&D in the clump. Smear a dime size dab of food/curiosity lure on it and walk away. G&Ds have almost replaced dirt holes for me anyway.... Then there's the Nolen bone but that's not for me to share.

Two years ago, armed with 4 darn good trail camera in video mode, I decided to study the use of gland lures. I wanted to know which worked and which didn't and most importantly to me, was foot placement in relation to where and how the lure was placed. Well last year I turned my focus onto the use of grubstake lures/baits for the same reasons as my studies of gland lures.

Last year I tested 14 lures/baits most of them were advertised as "grab & pull or M-44" lures/baits. In fact, one manufacturer told me not to use his 2 lures/baits below ground, that they were specifically designed for above ground use. I found this interesting because I watched the original manufacturer use them below ground in his dvd! Of the 14, 4 did not work at all or very sporadicly with little enthusiasm from the coyotes. BTW, those 4 lures/baits were tested in below ground tests previously and were considered worthless in that application as well but I thought maybe they lacked "lift" when below ground level but not so, they are just plain worthless.

The ones that worked were pulled and taken but in ever instance the grubstakes were urinated on before being removed and none were chewed while under the cameras. When the coyotes urinated on the grubstake they always straddled it. EVERY coyote that showed interest in the scent would make their initial stop 9" back from the grubstake exactly downwind and did not circle. Another thing I learned was that I could verify much of Major Boddicker's M-44 book though I never used any of the scents he listed. As it's said that snow doesn't lie and tells all, well videos don't lie either but both allow a degree interpretation by the observer.

I tried 1 of my top 2 performing paste baits that I've used for years in my Disco dirt-holes and walk-thru sets and the coyotes went crazy over it with almost frantic and sustained rolling and scratching/digging but NEVER pulled the grubstakes!

I need to do another round of testing this coming year because I'm not satisfied or comfortable with what I saw during testing that would make me want switch from a below ground to an above ground application with my weather conditions.

trappergbus ... I am curious now, as to what exactly the "Nolen Bone" is all about??? Please, do share.

You're correct Seldom. I've used a lot of grab and pull baits in the same fashion as Boddicker. Many of them don't get a pull response like they claim. I came up with my own pull bait and have had very good results in my area.

This might surprise some but O'G's powder river actually works well for a pull bait consistently year after year in my area. But the first visit they may just roll or urinate on it. Then the second time around they will pull. Sometimes on the initial visit they will pull.

I believe he's shared publicly before. He runs a earth anchor through a bone and anchors it to the ground leaving a little slack so the bone can be tugged on but not be taken away. Puts lure or bait on bone and it becomes a toy factor for the critter to try and take away. Gets caught with all the foot movement of the animal tugging.

Spot on Silky, with the anchored bone , they try and take it and when it won't come they get a bit frustrated. Seldoms correct, there's not many lures that work well on G&Ds but when ya find one that does it's gold. I get my best response with G&Ds without urine or gland. Keg Creek makes a couple and John Graham makes a couple also. I make some that works well also but its not for sale. I urge you all to experiment with texture, diameter and color. It makes a big difference!
With the right trap placement ya get the pee dogs and the takers. Whenever I set up a location I'll back up G&Ds with a scent post to give them something to pee on.

A lot of theories about how a caught coyote worked the set. But since a catch circle tells no tales all are just theories. Testing will help one learn who knows of what they speak of.

Interesting stuff here, but I'm curious. Those who are testing reactions to such subtle differences as texture or color of the fabric used, or a wide variety of baits or lures, how many individual visits are you drawing conclusions from? Is it 3 out of 4 prefered this over that? or 9 of 10? or 89 of 100? Just curious about the scale of some of these test results.

For the last 3 seasons 50 percent of my fox and coyotes have been taken on G&Ds. close to 200 coyotes and 100 red fox. They walk right past dirt holes, direct line approach. Only one way to find out Walleye101.. Super efficient and deadly

I don’t use numbers of coyote visits, how many coyotes are seen in each 10-12 night test setting is however many there was. The 10-12 nights is just my trapping pattern so I use it with testing as well.

I expect every coyote to be strongly attracted to whatever scent I’m testing the first time they encounter it but very, very few lures and baits have that ability/attractiveness to accomplish that! I have through observation found that there is no such thing as a 3 of 4 or 9 out of 10 thing, some will & some won’t, etc., Their reactions are pretty much consistent in regards to whether something is attractive or not and to what degree. Wouldn’t that be an interesting thing if a lure manufacturer told us that his lure was good for catching 3 out of 4 coyote? LOL

My expectations testing are the same as when I’m trapping, I expect every single coyote that encounters my set and scents be strongly attracted enough that it has to get at the scent and be caught. When a coyote is traveling past your test or set with it's head up and doing the 3.4mph coyote trot that they are noted for, I want the scent I'm using attractive enough to stop that coyote even if it was already 20' past my set. Not only stop the coyote but change it's mindset, turn it around and have it come back to my test or set and work the devil out of the test or get caught in the set. That is a degree of attractiveness!

I will add this. There is a big difference in the use of grab and die sticks verse M-44's. M-44's need to be grabbed and pulled to do their job. Not just walk up to and lick. On a grab and die stick all they have to do is approach it close enough to investigate or lick.

Or pee on it