Re: Pink Floyd claymation, a case for liberalism.
[Re: mjh]
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I think most people are only a few steps, at most, away from being homeless. Homeless isn't about a lack of jobs, or a lack of skills, or discrimination, or any of the other dozens of reasons people like to toss out there. Homeless is about a lack of will.... to live. It starts at the moment when, for whatever reason, people choose to stop participating in life as we know it. It may be a divorce, an addiction, a war, a loss of a loved one or any combination of possible things. At some point, people just say they are done with this world and being a part of it. They stop going to, or looking for work, stop paying their rent or mortgage, etc.., until they are on the streets and truth be told, they don't want to get off the streets... or rather... don't care whether they do, or don't. Life as we all know it is gone for them, they live moment to moment with no thought towards the future.
So my feelings on helping them are mixed. I'd be much more likely to offer $100 and a home cooked meal to a homeless person for 5 hours of labor at my home, than I would be to drop $20 in a hat. I'll help anyone who's wanting to make their way back up, but if someone has no desire to be helped, you're just throwing money into a chasm. All that said, I might still buy a pint of whiskey for a drunk with a creative enough sign, LOL WRONG. It happens and not for the idiotic reasons you gave Ok, then enlighten us as to why there are so many homeless people, when there are help wanted signs in every window?
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Re: Pink Floyd claymation, a case for liberalism.
[Re: FlyinFinn]
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09/29/18 10:31 AM
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I'm more than happy to help people in need (and I do), but I really bristle at the idea that I'm supposed to supply someone's "wants".
Seattle has one of the highest homeless populations in the USA, recent statistics reveal that a fairly small population will actually except help such as drug treatment, job counseling, etc.. Most of the people on the streets of Seattle just want heroin and to continue their chosen lifestyle; imo those folks shouldn't get one bit of help.
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Re: Pink Floyd claymation, a case for liberalism.
[Re: FlyinFinn]
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Most give for the selfish act of patting themselves on the back. They do it for the " high " or the " feel good moment "
Most won't go through the day without telling someone .
It's sad , as this act of selfish giving did not help at all , it actually accelerates the demise of the individual .
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Re: Pink Floyd claymation, a case for liberalism.
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09/29/18 11:29 AM
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A lot of the homeless people today would have been in mental institutions years ago.The mental institutions were all closed down for various social and financial reasons and the result is thousands of people with no capacity for managing day to day affairs living on the streets in cities.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Pink Floyd claymation, a case for liberalism.
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09/29/18 11:34 AM
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I remember when my kids were small,maybe 3 and 4 years old,we went to the city and they seen homeless beggars on the street.They were scared because of the way they looked.I explained to them not to be afraid,explained to them that this is a bum begging for money and the various reasons people lived like that.I gave each of the kids a dollar,and told them to go give it to the bum.They walked up real slow,tossed the dollar coin in the cup and ran back,LOL.I'm sure that was a lesson they remembered for a long time.
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Re: Pink Floyd claymation, a case for liberalism.
[Re: FlyinFinn]
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09/29/18 11:47 AM
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Boco, I'm not criticizing your efforts to teach your kids to be charitable, that act your kids did undoubtedly was of more value for the kids than for the bums.
But, in most situations that I'm aware of, giving money to street people is not much different than feeding wildlife, it just enables them to continue their self destructive lifestyle.
In Tacoma Washington, right this minute, just two blocks down the street from the "Rescue Mission" where the bums get free meals, you will find the same bums who just got fed standing at the freeway off-ramps with signs saying things like "Hungry, anything helps".
Any money they get goes straight to heroin or alcohol. Giving them money just enables them in their addictions.
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Re: Pink Floyd claymation, a case for liberalism.
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09/30/18 11:07 AM
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A lot of the homeless people today would have been in mental institutions years ago.The mental institutions were all closed down for various social and financial reasons and the result is thousands of people with no capacity for managing day to day affairs living on the streets in cities. Yup. County farms and what my mom called the poor house.
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Re: Pink Floyd claymation, a case for liberalism.
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09/30/18 05:47 PM
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somebody retarded, or another physical problem, or mentally ill I have no problem with them getting tax dollars. I don't think standing on a corner with a sign should be illegal but I don't give them money. I have fed a few people. sitting down to eat with them I would say they were all mentally ill.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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